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Thread: How do you reach the darned Crank position sensor

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    How do you reach the darned Crank position sensor

    Today my car decided to not start straight away.
    Took several attempts then started on one or two then more until it then ran perfectly.
    Temperature was only 16 C on the dash so I thought maybe didn't like the cold.
    Checked Nanocom , no faults.
    Cylinder balance came up OK
    All readings normal.
    Started first time the next time , but then I got it home and started playing up again.

    All readings normal , no faults.
    Checked red plug , and black plug and cleaned with contact cleaner.
    I tried to undo the terminal on the CPS but geez how do you reach it. I could only get my left hand in from below, and then couldn't press the terminal to remove it.
    I have a spare CPS and will jack up the car at the front so I can lie across it and maybe get my right hand in.

    Any tips would be appreciated.
    What a ***** of a position. Trust LR to put some thing in an inaccessible place.
    I will also change the fuel filter tomorrow even though the one in it is only a couple of weeks old.
    BTW the fuel pump is making a noise loud then soft so seems to be working, but I guess that is next after the CPS.
    Regards Philip A
    It's like my PC , no faults but doesn't work.

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    Wouldn't be bothering with the cps Phillip , more likely fuel related , did the old seal come off when you did the fuel filter?, does sound a bit like the copper inj washers

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    BTW no increase in oil level and oil beautifully clean.

    I feel unsure about the fuel filter as it only started since I changed it. I wondered if the little Oring/washer in the middle is not sealing, as the fuel pump screams every now and then. Bearmach brand.

    Hmm I have a set of new LR orings and washers as spares , but this came on so suddenly that I doubt it could be it. Injector durations are all within about 3%. It has only done it today and once a couple weeks ago just after I changed the filter. Otherwise runs just beautifully.
    I cleaned the connector of the CPS by spraying it from above with contact cleaner but hit and miss as impossible to get close.

    Regards Philip A

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    If your engine runs fine once started it is unlikely to be the CPS. However it can be accessed more easily the more you can lower the transmission. It is on the top of the bell housing, i don't think it is in the middle but just to the drivers side. It is located with one screw i believe.

    Is the back of the car covered in diesel? Could be the fuel lines on the pump. It might be worth testing your car under load when it is running, like up a hill with reasonable throttle on. If it is fuel related you'd imagine it would become obvious and register a drive demand problem in the ECU.

    I'm assuming you've checked your MAF and MAP sensors. Might be worth checking the MAF readings to make sure they are not strange, and clean the MAP sensor. Long shot though, but who knows simple problems are more easily fixed.

    Another long shot, undo the drain on the bottom of the fuel filter and let some fuel come out, prime the fuel system using the 5X ignition key procedure and see how you go.

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    I found the easiest way was from under the car reaching up. It's held in by a single 8mm head bolt. Unplug it before removing the bolt. It will need a wiggle to remove from the bellhousing as the O ring holds it fairly tight.
    Last edited by kelvo; 11th July 2017 at 10:50 PM. Reason: Corrected to 8mm head bolt
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    [QUOTE BTW no increase in oil level and oil beautifully clean.


    The o rings seal the fuel from the oil , the copper washers seal the combustion from the fuel galleries, one can go without the other going as well

    Another long shot, undo the drain on the bottom of the fuel filter and let some fuel come out, prime the fuel system using the 5X ignition key procedure and see how you go.[/QUOTE]


    Ign on , pump the acc pedal 5x


    [QUOTE=kelvo;2694478]I found the easiest way was from under the car reaching up. It's held in by a single 10mm bolt.


    Usually 8 mm bolt head Kelvo

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    Quote Originally Posted by discorevy View Post

    Usually 8 mm bolt head Kelvo
    Just gone and checked, you're correct. I keep my old CPS and small 8mm spanner in the cubby box.

    I've corrected my other post
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    as the fuel pump screams every now and then. Bearmach brand.


    Regards Philip A
    You are having the classic symptoms that they develop after a short time. Those cheap pumps are a numbers game, hit and miss, some will do it some will give a few years quietly. VDO is the only pump to go for these days But they do cost a lot more.. You might get away with replacing the fuel filter and doing a purge a few times, but cavitation and bush noise I'm afraid might be a thing you will have to put up with, just turn the radio up.


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    Hi Mario, I was less than clear I think.
    The fuel pump is AFAIK original.
    The Fuel Filter is Bearmach.
    I compared it with a Mahle this morning and I note the centre gasket of the Bearmach is slightly lower compared to the outer gasket. I saw this when I fitted it and wondered whether it would leak.
    Also the Mahle has a restrictor under the centre hole which the Bearmach doesn't.
    I will fit the Mahle filter today and see if there is a difference.
    Regards Philip A

    PS I have a VDO pump as a spare for when the pump goes silent.

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    Well darn me the thing started and ran perfectly this morning.

    Thinking back I think the problem started from the day before when I had the trailer hitched to prepare for a trip away and the doors open often, and I noticed when I first tried to start it that the starting battery was reading only 11.66 Volts, once pulled down by the pump and capacitors.

    The starting battery is an Optima Blue top that has been sitting next to the turbo for 4.5 years . Still I don't know why it then started on one or two then increased, although I connected the second battery via the switch I have and that may have topped up the volts.

    This morning the pump was noisy for 0.5 seconds then quiet and started perfectly and ran perfectly.
    No smoke, full power up hills, perfect.
    It's got me.
    I had left the Nanocom connected last night and I noted that it woke up as soon as I opened the drivers door , so the ECU must wake up even when you open a door.

    Regards Philip A

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