D2 Tow Rating

So what is the GCM for the D2? I thought the D1 and RRC was 6220kg - did this drop for the D2?

I have just been doing some research and the d2 vary a little bit in their towing and carrying capacity but only by about 100 kg . The gross combined mass is 6250 kg so with a gross vehicle mass of 2750 kg it can tow 3500 kg braked but no payload , if the payload is at the max of 692kg this reduces the towing capacity by that amount and this varies slightly model to model
Doug

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Originally Posted by rick130

It's to do with GCM, gross combined mass.

With the vehicle loaded to GVM a 3500kg trailer will massively exceed the rated GCM.

The brakes, chassis, transmission won't safely cope with 6+ tonne, or at least exceed what Land Rover think is reasonable, and I wouldn't want to pull it, either.

FWIW the chassis isn't as beefy as a Deefer 130 either, nor is the rear axle housing, or at least the Sals version, or the ones sporting a Wolf P38 style rear end.

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With a kerb weight of 2195kg + driver & 2x passengers (let's say they are 80kg each) that 2195+240=2435kg. Add to that 3500kg towable = 5935kg GTW (gross train weight)
That figure is based on the lowest possible kerb weight and minimal passenger weights.
It's nothing short of astounding, in my opinion, by increasing the vehicle weight by another 315kg, or less, it's towing capacity is reduced by 1.5 tonnes!!

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Originally Posted by DiscoDB

So what is the GCM for the D2? I thought the D1 and RRC was 6220kg - did this drop for the D2?

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I can't locate it now (but I've got it somewhere here)... but I remember seeing in a document that states the GTW of the D2 was something OVER 6000kg.

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Originally Posted by 354 chamberlain

I have just been doing some research and the d2 vary a little bit in their towing and carrying capacity but only by about 100 kg . The gross combined mass is 6250 kg so with a gross vehicle mass of 2750 kg it can tow 3500 kg braked but no payload , if the payload is at the max of 692kg this reduces the towing capacity by that amount and this varies slightly model to model
Doug

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The Disco's GVM is 2750kg (with coil springs) and that figure INCLUDES the payload.
At this 2750kg ... towing ability apparently reduces 1.5T down to 2000kg!!

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Fully loaded with all my camping/fishing Kit My D2a would weigh in at over 2.5t But the heaviest I have towed with it is a 2t boat ( I now only tow a 17' Quintrex which is much lighter) and I don't care what LR says I CAN tow I won't exceed that 2t because I quite like my D2a and have absolutely NO intention of flogging the guts out of it towing ridicules loads.
When I bought the 2.5t "Brick" I bought a 79 series V8 which when fully loaded comes in at about 3.5t to tow it with because it is Stronger and much more powerful than my V8 D2a and I am not as emotionally attached to the 79 series in case I "Break It" , "Horses for courses" [thumbsupbig]

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The person that I know about[bighmmm]that has been towing the heavy van with a fully loaded Disco TD5 for the last 10 years ... has never had a towing issue, stability issue or any breakages. The vehicle averages 16 litres/100km and he recently had the transmission rebuilt at 270,000km .... not that it even needed to be done!!
The vehicle has, quite clearly, been built solid enough to handle the stresses. He[bighmmm]also drives the vehicle 'gently' .. and resists the urge to 'thrash it' even though it's been upgraded.
I can't say that about the vehicles after Land Rover sold the company.
My brother bought a new Freelander in 2007 and got 80,000km out of the transmission before it was clagged. He'd never towed ANYTHING with it!!
On inspection, he said the car was full of components stamped 'FoMoCo' (Ford Motor Company)[bigsad]

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Ball weight forms part of the vehicle payload.

Check out John Cadogen's YouTube video about this - Complete guide to heavy towing (GVM, GCM & ATM explained)) . I can't provide a link owing to his usual language in videos.

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I understand all of that, but if you check the variation between coil and SLS which is what makes me think it is to do with ball weight and then the flow on effect is with the trailer weight.

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Ahh! Of course. I'd forgotten that.

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.......was a very clever observation all the same.

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Originally Posted by rapserv

The Disco's GVM is 2750kg (with coil springs) and that figure INCLUDES the payload.
At this 2750kg ... towing ability apparently reduces 1.5T down to 2000kg!!

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I'm not actually sure that's entirely correct,
when you say "Rave" do you mean Rave or the actual owner's manual supplied with the vehicle for the destination country?

We only have airbag D2s so our figures are already higher, but the following two pics need to be read carefully, especially if you have an airbag equipped one, as if your stay under 100 kmh things are different, in fact I think 100 kmh is the limit when towing in most states anyway. So do the math....it might still come out at what you said, but I can't be bothered adding it up!

Cheers
James
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Just to add to that, there typically hasn't been many vehicles that can tow 3500 at gvm, defender , 70 series (although they can only do that when using a Toyota WDH which bizarrely enough doesn't actually exist) so they're disqualified.
I'm not sure what the other contenders are, g professional certainly isn't, not sure about 200 series or y62, then after that your into the American stuff...

My knowledge on this is not up to date to right now, so things may have changed !