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    Waste gate actuater from external compressed air.

    Just wondering about the WG's max pressure it can handle?

    I get some decent clutch flare at times - 1st & 2nd gear.
    To me it's the wg or the ecu (or both) not keeping up with acceleration (rate of change in the map or physical limits on the wg?) .
    and still having excess turbo boost on throttle release. 3rd and fourth gears aren't an issue which makes me think it's a rate of change thing.

    This obviously is not an issue for the Auto transmission guys, It's just something I've been trying to get my head around.
    Clutch switch is good.

    Was thinking of running say 50psi into the modulator pick up from the onboard air tank, that should really slam the Waste gate open.

    Is it just me going nuts? or is this an issue for other manual TD5 owners?

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    That sounds exactly like clutch switch, I know you said it was ok...

    Did the MSB do it as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    That sounds exactly like clutch switch, I know you said it was ok...

    Did the MSB do it as well?
    Yep, Msb did it as well.

    I'll bleed the clutch again - the master and slave are brand new, but yeah They're not the best even then.
    The clutch switch does work, confirmed many times, but been hydraulic pressure activated it will also have speed limitations.

    Was thinking about placing a sensor on the clutch pedal lever to replace the stock hydraulic switch. I reckon this will help as well.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Discosux View Post
    Yep, Msb did it as well.

    I'll bleed the clutch again - the master and slave are brand new, but yeah They're not the best even then.
    Was also thinking about placing a sensor on the clutch pedal lever to replace the stock hydraulic switch. They do take a bit of travel to come on.
    Will a nanocom check the switch?

    If so, check it with that.

    The other thing would be to dab the brake pedal when you lift off, that should also cancel flare and let you work out what's going on.

    Also using the clutch should cancel cruise control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shack View Post
    Will a nanocom check the switch?

    If so, check it with that.

    The other thing would be to dab the brake pedal when you lift off, that should also cancel flare and let you work out what's going on.

    Also using the clutch should cancel cruise control.
    Yep, Nanocom and cruise, confirmed working.

    It could also be the actuator?
    All this below was done pre tune on the msb...

    I can set the boost to say 20psi with the modulator bypassed
    she'll hold 20psi no problems - never go over

    When I reconnect the modulator, she'll boost to say 25 <- for a bit then come down to 20 under full ecu control. It's like the ECU will allow overboost for short periods. I had an analogue boost gauge fitted, you could see the ecu thinking, as in you could see the distinct pressure control steps.
    Either it was on purpose or the ECU modulator control / or the actuator is a bit sluggish. I don't know

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    Seems that you blamed everything except the main suspect here which is the modulator. As long as runs OK with it bypassed and you have problems with it connected that's the first thing to rule out(or the attached pipework)
    Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned

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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrafery View Post
    Seems that you blamed everything except the main suspect here which is the modulator. As long as runs OK with it bypassed and you have problems with it connected that's the first thing to rule out(or the attached pipework)
    thinking about it, i reckon you're right. not the modulator (tried two different ones) it could very well be the plumbing to it.
    I'll replace the lines if not that, ill replace the modulator with a different unit that can handle more flow and switch quicker. (ARB solenoid? Maybe)

    I cant be the only bloke with this problem. (something my psych nurse says sometimes, but still relevant here.)

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    Anti surge/flare appears to be triggered by the clutch switch, calculated gear, rpm and some other stuff I can't remember.

    If you put the clutch in it should trigger the surge damp, the aggressiveness will be controlled by the damping maps, but the ECU will cut fuel pretty quick.

    Once it does there should not be any boost

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