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    Question Nanocom (Evolution) Bug Report and Wishlist

    My Nanocom Evolution 2 has had its firmware upgrade to v1.01 and it's time to think more about what ideas for improvements can be passed on to BBS.

    I figured there was merit to starting a thread here where members with Nanocoms can add their ideas as to how the unit can be improved. So I envisage that this could cover anything from typos within the menu structure to suggestions for improving the range of features that it offers.

    To kick off I have listed a couple of ideas I'd like to see implemented in a future firmware upgrade.

    Maybe Colin from BBS can watch this thread and offer input as well.

    1. Create an option for changing the orientation of the display by 90° or 180°.

    I have my unit mounted on the LHS of the instrument hump which means the OBD cable exits on the LHS of the unit and then does a hard bend back to the right to disappear around the side of the dash.

    If the cable exited to the right by having the screen flipped 180° it would be neater IMO.

    2. Create 2 or 3 variations of the "td5inst Application" screen.

    Maybe we could do a poll to determine what combination of information/values/readings people wish to see on these screens.

    Ideally we might end up with "td5inst1", "td5inst2" and "td5inst3" options to select from. Each of those would have variations on the "Live Data" that is displayed.

    For example, we could have Coolant Temp, Intake Air Temp, Manifold Turbo Pressure and Battery Volts shown on the 1st screen for one option.

    3. It'd be nice to see the interface "tarted up" a bit. Sure, in its current form it is purely functional and that works, but imagine if these Live Data screens could look as good as those in the "Torque Pro" App for Android devices.

    I am yet to play with the Nanocom enough to see some of the bugs that are being reported (other than the "Over-temperature warning" not working). Maybe we need a separate "Nanocom Bug Report" thread?

    I appreciate that all this Wishlist stuff is time intensive. And time=$$$ and we'd all rather have a device that is bug-free rather than prettied up but still with bugs. Well, I would. Still, it doesn't hurt to let BBS know what their customers would like to see in the future.

    Pedro/Landy Andy care to comment?

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    Hiya bell1975

    Wow that is some wish list

    However you have to appreciate that the Evolution, as complex as it is, has been designed and built without the benefit of a huge budget, and for a much more limited market, and so cannot really do the same sort of tricks and have the graphic detail possible on many portable devices flooding the market with their high end resolution, colour and processing capabilites.

    Perhaps when we have added more models to the nanocom coverage, as the P38 is now almost completed, it may well be that we can make the unit popular enough to justify the cost of making some visual enhancements and certainly we would happily re order INST screens or produce multiple options according to poular demand.

    Anyway for now i have to state most honestly that we are really not at the wishlist fulfilling stage although we are now significantly closer to that.

    To give you and everyone a bit more of an insight into the current state of things, perhaps its best i give a litttle information and fill in a few blanks You first have to appreciate that i took on / rescued the Nanocom almost overnight, not even knowing it's current state of affairs, or if it even could be saved. I simply recognised it as a popuar product with a good name and what looked like advanced hardware technology with the EVO, although a bit school project looking, that offered very good features at the price point.

    It was very much a gamble that looked like a very bad one when i discovered that due to existing errors or bugs in released software, it was actually impossible to even produce a software upgrade that existing owners of either Nanocom One or EVO owners could actually install.

    There were also growing numbers of problems being reported by ever more demanding and upset owners suffering seemingly inexplicable problems with settings changing when they should not and so on.

    Worse still the previous owner had made rash promises of adding further system coverage in the software but did not even have the time to deal with sales enquiries, let alone support problems and certainly did not have the time to get into the tedious workload of developing new system coverage.

    Clearly it was going to take a massive amount of time, money and effort to save this product, but i was willing to give it a go as clearly it is a great product with huge potential, and of course it meets our own "best equipment for the money" objectives.

    The first job was quite obvious, fix the broken upgrade paths for both Nanocom one and Evolution systems.

    The second job was to re design the Evolution hardware into something far more modern, desirable, robust and hopefully smaller.

    The third job was to add coverage for the missing SRS, Autobox and V8 Petrol vehicle systems and look into adding further model coverage as per origional intent.

    The fourth job is to debug the software functionality to our own renowned standards.

    The fifth job is then to add any and all possible improvements, canvassing suggestions ;-)

    Despite our many troubles and woes with massive power outage disruptions and re locating, we have none the less achieved the first 3 jobs in just a few months, and i am certainly a little self proud of this.

    In respect of the fourth job of debugging, we have started to look at quite a few reports now, temp alert, boost pressure accuracy, and even Plip programming, and are making good progress, but very significantly I have very recently validated the true cause of these wierd BCU settings problems being due to something i have suspected all along.

    It seems that the BCU setting functionality on the Nanocom was derived by monitoring / reverse engineering a third party tool that in turn derived it's capabilty from monitoring / reverse engineering our ROVACOM.

    Unfortunately there is a world of diffence between developing something by reverse engineering someone elses work and self development with true understanding, and in the case of the BCU, there is a small but significant factor that would be missed and would cause such results.

    In fact as far as i know, there have only ever been two pieces of equipment availaible that correctly handle BCU settings in all situations and cases, the first has been the origional Land Rover Testbook and the second our own Rovacom / Faultmate equipment. However having validated my suspition, quite shortly, we will be adding another by ensuring that the Nanocom One and EVO also handle this correctly too.

    This it truly where BBS's long experience and knowlege can help the Nanocom.

    I mention this here, as it is really such a significant bug i believe many owners will have suffered from in some seemingly inexplicable form or other, to the degree they may even feel un inclined to change any setting in the BCU for fear of getting into trouble, which is such an opposite aspect as to how owners of our ROVACOM / FAULTMATE owners feel. I believe that when fixed it will represent a really major imrovement to the Nanocom and fix a good percentage of problems in one hit, thus leaving us more time to sort the rest out.
    Last edited by BBS Guy; 19th September 2011 at 01:41 AM. Reason: De pontification ;-) and further info addition
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    I am happy to ask Andy to make this post Sticky,,

    or how about one that Colin (alone) could turn into a blog??
    writing in various little snippets on his equipment as things get finished?

    No Pressure Colin!!
    If you would like to do something along those lines Colin,, please PM me,,


    again,, its just an idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift View Post
    I am happy to ask Andy to make this post Sticky,,

    or how about one that Colin (alone) could turn into a blog??
    writing in various little snippets on his equipment as things get finished?

    No Pressure Colin!!
    If you would like to do something along those lines Colin,, please PM me,,


    again,, its just an idea.
    Pedro - I thought that one day when I have a few spare hours I'd start trawling the Electronic Diagnostics pages and create links to some of the bugs that have been reported on the Evolution and also with the upgrade process - creating a more useful 1-stop-shop for people seeking information about Nanocom bugs and tips and tricks.

    It might also assist Colin and BBS to have this information collated for reference.

    It's just a thought for now as I have other priorities like a new baby due any day and a new Android mobile to play with, oh, and a 17 month old toddler to keep sorted - my wife wonders whether I have these priorities in the right order sometimes though...


    Quote Originally Posted by BBS Guy View Post
    Hiya bell1975

    Wow that is some wish list
    Yeah, I thought I'd just start with three things and test the waters, so to speak...

    Another one that may be "fairly simple" would be to provide users with the option to change text colour and background colours in the various boxes on screen - I find the lime green on black a bit difficult to see.

    I'd also like to see a "Night mode" that can be toggled from a long press on any screen background - like the quick brightness adjustment capability. Night mode brightness could be pre-set in the setup menu to the desired brightness level.

    Tell him he's dreaming...

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    With many thanks to Pedro for his assistance in getting a thumbs up from the Boss, i will indeed shortly be starting a simple one way information disseminating Blog on this board for news of all Nanocom developments etc.

    However i do not imagine it to be any substitute for this thread and will certainly find having somewhere interactive that collates information about any bugs or problems and invites comment and food for thought as to possible improvements a big help.

    On that note, i was pretty sad at having to reply so negatively to your first wishlist ideas Bell1975.
    However, you are not dreaming with these new ones and they are certainly very likely do able. We might even be able to make it so users can upload their own background image.

    I should add that with our ROVACOM and FAULTMATE equipment, users can not only change all the images used, but can change the height and width of the Menu boxes, but the font, font size and type, and if it is Bold Italic or Normal, colors used for the menu backgrounds as well as the font color, and even if the Menu is on the left or right side of the Main Screen to accommodate left handed people.

    So we are certainly not adverse to providing these kind of possiblities
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    Nanocom Wishlist ideas

    Here are a few more items for the development team Colin (courtesy of OffTrack).

    Quote Originally Posted by OffTrack View Post
    Can I put in a few of feature requests for 2.07?
    - The ability to record "inputs general" in the Auto Box module would be useful.
    - The other thing that would be really handy is some means of converting the recorded files to csv for modules other than fuelling.
    - Ability to read/write VIN in SLABS module (which I think may be required for exchanging units between vehicles?)

    cheers
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    Evo v1.01 upgrade BUG

    I think I may have another Evo v1.01 upgrade bug Colin.

    The backlighting level does not change despite saving the setting in the Nanocom>Setup>Display menu.

    It seems to be remaining set at the default value when the device is started from Standby mode and also if the unit is turned off/unplugged.

    It may be of note that when first entering the Brightness menu option the bar that normally shows the level of the value in green is just a black bar ie. there's no green at all even if the setting is mid way.

    As soon as there is an input of either + or - the bar shows green again.

    The functionality of the 'on the fly' setting still works fine (but how good would it be to have a "Night Mode" that can be toggled to a pre-set dimmed value that is accessed from the 'on the fly' menu....)

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    Hiya bell1975
    So it sounds like the brightness level is simply not being stored or re used on startup.
    I don't suppose anyone knows if this has always been the case or if its some new problem only present on BBS V1.01

    The Night Mode option is already high on the wish List

    I will look into the other ideas from Offtrack in due course but it sounds like an external PC app will do the conversion. As for the VIN in slabs, VIN editability often depends on what the ECU itself allows as many ECU's are write once only
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBS Guy View Post
    I will look into the other ideas from Offtrack in due course but it sounds like an external PC app will do the conversion. As for the VIN in slabs, VIN editability often depends on what the ECU itself allows as many ECU's are write once only
    Hi Colin,

    You can probably move VIN edibility for the SLABS module way down the request list. I did an SLABS ECU swap last week and there seems to be no need to change the VIN, so perhaps a nicety rather than necessity.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBS Guy View Post
    Hiya bell1975
    So it sounds like the brightness level is simply not being stored or re used on startup.
    I don't suppose anyone knows if this has always been the case or if its some new problem only present on BBS V1.01
    TBH Colin I didn't adjust the brightness from default before the firmware upgrade so i can't offer any input on that.

    It might be easier for your staff to test this but if I had a copy of v1.00 I could revert back to that and give it a try. Do you have a Dropbox account where you could place the file for me to download? Otherwise you can email it to me.

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