Thread: Jail breaking a Hawkeye

I own both companies products.

I don't bother even taking the BBS gear out of its box - every time I used to use it it came up with communication errors and I was always sending it back to Cyprus for repairs etc - it just wasn't worth my time to bother with it. I have better things to do than help BBS's with their QC and testing program at my personal expense.

On the other hand I took the HawkEye out of its box installed the license and
have never had even a hint of any glitch. I have my HawkEye enabled for RR classic, RR L322, D2 and Defender. No problems with any of them - ever!
As a bonus HawkEye is not VIN or sub-model locked.

I know which product I would go for.

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

Having played with both prior to and post purchase I'd take the nanocom everyday and twice tomorrow. Even with the issues I've had. Having live data display is a must for diagnostic use.

HawkEye has live data display - i use it all the time for diagnosis.

Hi Daniel,

I'd pretty much decided on the Hawkeye after reading users issues with the Nanocom. The ability to use the same unlock for any vehicle of same type is also the Big one for me with two similar D2 TD5 vehicles to troubleshoot & service.

For Sale Land Rover Hawkeye Diagnostic Tool used This second hand Hawkeye comes with D2 unlock and even a warranty for only $239 plus approx $10 postage from UK. Pretty good deal!
Thanks for all the good advice
Cheers,
Bruce

Originally Posted by Daniel

I own both companies products.

I don't bother even taking the BBS gear out of its box - every time I used to use it it came up with communication errors and I was always sending it back to Cyprus for repairs etc - it just wasn't worth my time to bother with it. I have better things to do than help BBS's with their QC and testing program at my personal expense.

On the other hand I took the HawkEye out of its box installed the license and
have never had even a hint of any glitch. I have my HawkEye enabled for RR classic, RR L322, D2 and Defender. No problems with any of them - ever!
As a bonus HawkEye is not VIN or sub-model locked.

I know which product I would go for.

Come on, be honest Daniel. You haven't used a Nanocom, so stop pretending you have current experience. And you should tell people you have a personal history with Colin and BBS due a falling out with blackbox solutions 6-7 years ago which resulted in your loss of distribution rights in Australia for BBS products.

I posted this to another thread in the D2 forum back in December 2011, and the details are worth repeating here:

Daniel,

I think for the record it should be stated that the hardware you have is the Rovacom Lite which replaced by the Faultmate MV in June 2007. You posted a question on this forum to Colin regarding upgrading diagnostics to support your L322 in mid-2010, some three years after the system went out of production.

Checking the BBS website on archive.org it appears your details were removed from the distributor list at some point between July 12 2007 and August 18 2007. It seems pretty safe to assume that you haven't used any newer BBS products since that time.

Given the fact that their product line has been revised and upgraded substantially since 2007 I wonder how much stock can really be put in your views on the quality of the BBS software?

regards
Paul

I'll note that in the thread where that comment was posted you were warned by Pedro to cease posting about BBS products. I have since given you an infraction for your personal attacks on Colin.

You are now on notice. Cease and desist from the attacks on BBS.

regards
Paul

Hiya All

I firstly thank offtrack for recognising anti BBS posting and acting upon things accordingly.

I would like to add my bit and clear a few things up on this thread.

In any direct cost comparison between a Hawkeye and a Nanocom, buyers should really also factor in that the Nanocom comes complete with the lead that allows it to be connected directly to a PC and updated which does not come with the Hawkeye and costs quite a bit to add.

Ask any Hawkeye supplier for specific clarification on this point, as otherwise this kind of information is somehow conveniently not mentioned otherwise, which should already ring alarm bells.

Both systems read live data but only the Nanocom provides this in a special Instrument Mode. The Nanocom also provides functionality like the learning of used Keys that the Hawkeye does not.

The Nanocom also provides the abilty to save any data, be it fault code listings or live data recording sessions to an SD card for later access by a PC which the Hawkeye does not.

Ther are tons of other things i will not even bother to mention

Some BBS systems are indeed VIN locked, but there is is no VIN lock at all on the Nanocom, you can use it on any vehicle and all it's systems with the only possible extra requirement being if the Engine Management is different, EG V8 as opposed to TD5.

But to add the additional engine management coverage if required costs only 66 AUD.

The same applies if you want to add the other non EMS defender systems to a DII TD5 system etc

Yea we certainly do have some occasional issues, but given how many Nanocom Evolutions we currently supply, their technological level and how well we support our system, it really is a very small minority.

The reality is that that our business is soley the development and provision of Land Rover Diagnostic equipment and has been soley this for nearly 20 years rather than something we also do alongside supplying filters and spark plugs should speak volumes.

With the Nanocom Evolution especially, we have as a matter of record worked our absolute asses off to ensure that this is the most capable, lowest cost and most bug free equipment there is currently available, and we will never ever forget the help, support and input from so many fine members of this board in making this so.

Originally Posted by AnD3rew

Because it is obviously profitable to sell the tool with all of the software loaded already, if you purchase the extra unlock codes it is all cream for them. One thing I don't think a lot of these guys have worked out is that if you sell your upgrades, and extra capabilities for a small amount then you sell a load more than if you sell it for a large amount. Apple worked this out with iTunes and Apps where you sell stuff for a small amount and you make a lot more.

Except Apple are selling to a volume market where that kind of model works (just noting that Apple does not make most of the Apps, they are third party products). Diagnostic kit for trucks is not the same kind of market.

And let's be honest, a business is not successful because it sells one product at a profit. It is successful because it makes a profit overall on everything it sells.