Reply With QuoteNo problem, ping me a message and we can work something out.Originally Posted by Designosaur
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Paul
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SupporterHi OffTrack, This looks like a great tool at a reasonable price, Thanks for posting the info.
I have my new D2 getting a roadworthy now but as soon as I get it rego'd I'll be looking at getting something like this. If you have any time to demo this on a D2 I work at Parkville and it would be great to have a look at how it works.
Bernie
D2 TD5 Manual
YarnMaster
No problem, ping me a message and we can work something out.
Cheers
Paul
YarnMaster
After discovering the 2.3 Chinese release yesterday, I noticed that Launch have released version 2.4 overnight.
They have added firmware update for the adapter but I haven't had much luck getting it to install so far. My adapter has v11.10 installed and the most recent version is v11.14 so I'm fairly keen to see if this helps with connecting to ACE.
This release seems to have fixed the problems with the actuator tests. I was able to test all of the actuators listed for the SLABS and Td5 with no problems.
There is an addition playback mode for the iPad recordings which allows multiple traces to be overlaid.
Recording works well, and is more reliable for me on the Auto than my Nanocom Evo.
The software seems to be getting more and more reliable with each release, so I'd hope the app will see a few more updates before the end of the year.
The ability to review data graphically is a fantastic benefit. I have been processing the recordings of engine data and the viewing in a graphing app. Being able to jump straight from recording to graphs makes life a whole lot easier.
The only downside for a D2 owner would be the lack of access to configurable settings. As a read/clear tool with some pretty nice data stream record and visualize options it's pretty hard to go past.
Cheers
Paul
YarnMaster
Apologies for the drawn out nature of the "review"...
The 2.4 software allows you to graph selected parameters from recordings on the iPad - I'd assume an Android tablet would be similar.
This is a saved screen report showing the new graph display. This shows part of a recording of the Td5 engine parameters. There are a few small bugs - the labels for the two pressure traces are transposed, and the spelling is a bit wonky.
I noticed yesterday that the login process now seems to require you have internet access. I'll see if there is a work around but it appears to have been a bug
cheers
Paul
Paul, can you point me at where you found that Land Rover model coverage chart? I've hunted for it for a couple of days, with no joy, and want to see if there is any change in the bits I'm looking for.
YarnMaster
Tell me about it. I struggle to find whenever I try to relocate it. You can't bookmark the page because the site sends you back to the homepage if your session has expired.
I found it again last week but can't retrace my steps. The chart hasn't been updated beyond the version linked earlier.
To find the information on what has changed from version to version go to Welcome to X431 Website
Look at the left hand menus to find "Public Information"
Click on "X431 The Latest Software Info"
Has anyone tried the X431 on a D3?
YarnMaster
I haven't but if anyone local to me wants to hook up their d3 to check out what it will do I'd be happy to report back.
I'd expect that it will be essentially code read/clear, live data, actuator tests, and service related resets, but missing the ability to change configuration settings.
cheers
Paul
Master
SupporterHi Paul,
How does this compare to the Nanocom, do you know?
I think price-wise this would appear to be not too bad at first glance, however the pricing is per year, I had a look on the site and can't see costs etc.
Recalling your first post you said it was something like $65/yr?
Just wondering which one would be the wiser choice... to be honest I'm not sure I know what I'm looking for here, other than a diagnostic tool to aid in any issues that pop up... like the slow starting issue I currently have..
Peter.
YarnMaster
I own both a Nanocom Evo and aLaunch X431 iDiag.
The differences are roughly:
- X431 needs a internet connection for initial log on to verify licenses.
- X431 is primarily diagnostic so focus is on code reading/clear, live data display and recording, actuation tests, adaptation resets, and some very limited settings changes.
- Nanocom adds the ability to make settings changes. Where this is most noticeable is in the BCU, where the X431 iDiag will only display switch states for diagnostics whereas the Nanocom allows for dealer settings, key programming etc.
- X431 ACE support is shown but I've never been able to get it to work successfully.
- X431 iDiag has support for the D2 V8 cruise control module. BBS have to this point refused to countenance adding CC support for the D2 V8, so on this point the X431 is a clear winner.
For the Td5 engine it's a wash. The X431 has the ability to change injector codes but not throttle ways whereas the Nanocom can change both. The only real difference in sensor coverage I've found is that the X431 iDiag displays the AAP temp sensor values from the EU3 4-wire AAP whereas the Nanocom omits this.
SLABS coverage is good, and will display/clear fault codes and gives all sensor data readings. There are some actuator tests, including Pump relay activate which should allow for a remote power bleed, but none of the specific bleed routines that the Nanocom has.
AutoBox coverage is the same, although the X431 iDiag is FAR better with it's data display. The Nanocom rounds to whole digits and renders some data like modulator pressure which given in bar completely useless. In contrast the X431 gives the same reading to two decimal places which means the data is actually meaningful. If you have an Auto the X431 is a hands down winner
SRS is read/clear codes in both.
The graphing is probably the nicest thing about the X431 iDiag and this seems to be a feature of running on a tablet. Running on a phone the recorded data display is limited to text lists which isn't nearly as useful. While the Nanocom can log and playback this is limited to a subset of the data in numerical format displayed on the normal screen. You can also display the recorded CVS data in a spreadsheet app on computer. The X431 iDiag (on tablet) can display data streams in graphical format and export screenshots of the data as pdfs. You can also pick individual traces to graph in realtime.
If you can live with the lack of ability to change BCU settings and the need for internet connection to login to the app, the iDiag is a very good bit of kit. I've actually found myself reaching for the iDiag in preference to the Nanocom for diagnostics.
The Hardware should cost you around $120 and a one year license for Land Rover vehicles is $66US or around $70AUS at current rates. Based on a D2 TD5 unlocked EVO costing $440 shipped, you could buy the iDiag hardware and 4.5 years of licences. The iDiag will most likely have limited value at that point, but the Evo could reasonably be expected to have retained 50% or more of it's new value.
On the other hand the iDiag covers the entire LR range from 1996 - 2011 with the $66 unlock (their pro versions cover up to 2014MY so this should trickle down at some point) and there is very wide support for other manufacturers at the same pricing. This means if you need support for additional vehicles from Holden, Ford, Mazda, Volkswagen, BMW, etc, etc, it's just a matter of buying another manufacturer unlock at $66US.
cheers
Paul
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