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    Angry Rough Running - Nanocom Evo, D2 V8

    After having new catalytic convertors fitted recently misfires developed on two cylinders. I also noted that when running the Nanocom diagnostics there were indications of rough running .
    I surmised that the misfires were most probably due to breakdown of either/both plug leads or coils.
    Fitted new coils, new plugs & leads, and also new fuel injectors as I suspected that the injectors may have been responsible for the rough running indications. However, after the changes I am still seeing rough running on a couple of cylinders.
    Any suggestions as to cause & remedy?
    Last edited by Collins; 29th June 2014 at 01:21 AM. Reason: superfluous word removed

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    obviously the same couple all the time?
    which two?

    head gasket.
    do a compression test.
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    A compression test has been done, no problems, all pressures substantially identical.

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    Took the Discovery for a good run today & now have roughness indications on all cylinders to varying degrees, though no misfires or DTC's recorded.
    After researching further it seems that the ECM assigns a roughness figure to the timing & if the figure exceeds set parameters a misfire is logged. So I guess that as I have fitted new plugs, coils & leads, the roughness may be emanating from a dirty CKP sensor. I will try removing, cleaning sensor & refitting, although it is odd that prior to renewing the various components roughness was indicated on only two cylinders.

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    wouldn't a dirty crank sensor result in a misfire?
    Its not missing, just running rough which could be the knock sensor messing with the timing
    "How long since you've visited The Good Oil?"

    '93 V8 Rossi
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    '01 V8 D2
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    '03 4.6 V8 HSE D2a with Tornado ECM
    '10 to '21
    '16.5 RRS SDV8
    '21 to Infinity and Beyond!


    1988 Isuzu Bus. V10 15L NA Diesel
    Home is where you park it..

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    Mine was running very rough and low rpm after I did head gaskets, cam, O2 sensors etc and reset adaptive settings. Only cured by swapping back to original sensors (bought eBay units but were recommended by more than one here).

    Is it running in both open and closed loop modes?

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    Roughness / Timing - D2 V8

    "wouldn't a dirty crank sensor result in a misfire?
    Its not missing, just running rough which could be the knock sensor messing with the timing"

    "Mine was running very rough and low rpm after I did head gaskets, cam, O2 sensors etc and reset adaptive settings. Only cured by swapping back to original sensors (bought eBay units but were recommended by more than one here).

    Is it running in both open and closed loop modes?
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    Thanks to both for your comments. The title for the post is misleading.I tried to edit it, but could not. The engine is running quite smoothly, but when I run the Roughness/Timing app on Nanocom, roughness is indicated on all cylinders at idle. When the motor is run at higher engine speeds the figures freeze. There are no misfires indicated at any engine speed, and no faults are displayed when ECM interrogated with Nanocom

    The knock sensors are functioning correctly, and the ECM is ruuning the engine in both Open & Closed Loop as required by the engine operating situation.

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    After replacing the fuel injectors did you use the nanocom to reset the adaptive values as required? It may be that you are getting invalid live data from the ecu as it is stil working on the assumption that the old injectors are in place.

    Just a thought!

    [ame]http://nanocom-diagnostics.com/downloads/1517321834.pdf[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by helstondave View Post
    After replacing the fuel injectors did you use the nanocom to reset the adaptive values as required? It may be that you are getting invalid live data from the ecu as it is stil working on the assumption that the old injectors are in place.

    Just a thought!

    http://nanocom-diagnostics.com/downloads/1517321834.pdf
    Yes, adaptive values were reset

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    I asked about the loop settings as knock detection (again at last on D2 V8's) is disabled in cold start mode which is also fixed to closed (???) loop mode, so you will see more roughness in the nanocom until it warms up.

    Try unplugging the knock sensors (warm) to see if it changes the Nanocom readings (it shouldn't, it should become worse).

    From the Bosch SM009/BBS website. There's a couple of things detailed that should help to point at the crank sensor etc to better check function (over just a code).
    ROUGHNESS AND TIMING
    Roughness cylinder 1 to 8: This display shows the current value which the ECU has calculated for the engine running roughness for each cylinder. This value will increase the more unevenly the engine is running. Engine roughness is not displayed if idle.
    Cylinder misfire 1 to 8: Count of misfire events for each cylinder. When the ECU detects a possible misfire, this count value is increased by one. If the value increases to more than a preset limit within 1000 engine revolutions, a misfire fault is set. If not, the misfire count value will be cleared to 0 and a new count begin. It is normal to expect a certain number of 'false' misfire detections during each count.
    Ignition advance cylinder 1 to 8: This value shows the ignition timing for each cylinder. The individual cylinder ignition timings should not differ from each other significantly for any sustained period.
    Ignition advance: This reading shows the average ignition advance over all cylinders and it is affected by engine speed, engine load, change of gear, knock detection, throttle position and coolant temperature. During idle condition this value may continuously vary as the ignition advance is used to stabilise the idle speed.
    Dwell angle: This reading shows the current value of the ignition dwell angle (the amount of rotation of the engine during which an ignition coil is charging. Since the charging time tends to be constant (it only varies with battery voltage) the reading will increase in proportion to engine speed. An unusually large reading may indicate a problem with battery voltage.
    Tooth count: This display shows the number of crankshaft sensor wheel edges counted by the ECU. This value will count up extremely rapidly during engine running but can be useful for checking that the crankshaft sensor is correctly connected during cranking. If the engine is cranked this display should count up at a rate of at least 30 counts per second. If this does not happen there may be a problem with the crankshaft sensor or crankshaft sensor circuit.
    Misfire sum: Summary of misfire events over all cylinders. When the ECU detects a possible misfire, this count value is increased by one. If the value increases to more than a preset limit within 1000 engine revolutions, a misfire fault is set. If not the misfire count value will be cleared to 0 and a new count begun. It is normal to expect a small number of 'false' misfire detections during each count.
    Knock average: This reading shows an average value for knock correction. If this value is continuously above 0, it may indicate a problem with the knock detection system or the engine.
    Knock detect: This reading shows whether the ECU is currently operating its knock control strategy by changing the ignition timing and/or fuelling for of one or cylinders.

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