Thread: VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

Originally Posted by joel0407

Well apparently not according to this thread. LOL

This whole thread in my opinion is a storm in a tea cup for anywhere but US whose emission laws are not in line with the rest of the world. Personally, I think the VW group put out excellent vehicles and have manufactured best engine of the year for many years (mind you it was the petrol turbo).

Noxious emissions are invisible so watching the exhaust reveals nothing useful except possibly if the engine is running rich and wasting unburnt fuel.
Huge numbers of people suffer various illnesses which are worsened by noxious emissions, sometimes fatally. This is a really big deal. We are talking about a company deciding it has the right to decide to deliberately poison many people to boost its profits.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Noxious emissions are invisible so watching the exhaust reveals nothing useful except possibly if the engine is running rich and wasting unburnt fuel.
Huge numbers of people suffer various illnesses which are worsened by noxious emissions, sometimes fatally. This is a really big deal. We are talking about a company deciding it has the right to decide to deliberately poison many people to boost its profits.

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I agree but I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too.

While I think we need to be as clean as we reasonably can be, if we want todrive around in cars, we will make pollution. If we want to make and useelectricity whether we make pollution building wind turbines or make pollution burningcoal or don't make any until a nuclear power plant goes bad. Everything has atrade off.



I think modern diesels are about as clean as we are going to get withouttrading things off. Yeah sure we can make less pollution but then you get lesspower so then you'll buy a petrol instead that will just make a different pollution.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

This is a really big deal.

of the cars affected, what percentage of all the cars in the world do they make up?

Originally Posted by Eevo

of the cars affected, what percentage of all the cars in the world do they make up?

Bazinga. Pat

Originally Posted by Eevo

of the cars affected, what percentage of all the cars in the world do they make up?

Not only do I suspect it's a very small amount but while they do breach the limit, they still produce less emissions than some only a couple of years old.

Now before someone jumps in and says "No they create more NOX". Yes they might create more nox but they still create less other pollutants such as CO2.

So yes. I don't get the big deal and that's why I bought shares in VW.

Originally Posted by joel0407

I agree but I don't think we can have our cake and eat it too.

While I think we need to be as clean as we reasonably can be, if we want todrive around in cars, we will make pollution. If we want to make and useelectricity whether we make pollution building wind turbines or make pollution burningcoal or don't make any until a nuclear power plant goes bad. Everything has atrade off.



I think modern diesels are about as clean as we are going to get withouttrading things off. Yeah sure we can make less pollution but then you get lesspower so then you'll buy a petrol instead that will just make a different pollution.

Soon our cars will be electric and they'll be recharged from charging stations which are solar powered, or from panels on their roofs, so that should fix that. Yes, I know making batteries is a messy business, but it will still be an improvement.
It's a bit like everyone said there was no alternative to smelly petrol lawn mowers, but my electric mower works just fine.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Soon our cars will be electric and they'll be recharged from charging stations which are solar powered, or from panels on their roofs, so that should fix that. Yes, I know making batteries is a messy business, but it will still be an improvement.
It's a bit like everyone said there was no alternative to smelly petrol lawn mowers, but my electric mower works just fine.

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Seriously Mick you live in fantasy land ,we won't change to electric cars for the same reason our power production won't change from coal,because alternatives don't work.Environmentalists/hippys/tree huggers what ever you call them are the worlds biggest hypocrites,all of them want to save the world but don't want to sacrifice their daily conveniences to do it,your a good example,why didn't you buy an electric vehicle re-charged from solar panels on your roof instead of your Mazda?,don't whinge about other people polluting the environment when your contributing your fair share . Pat