Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by gromit

I agree with most of your comments.
It's a given that they have to meet ADR's or local equivalents etc.

The old Defender would have been a loss leader for LR because the construction method was so labour intensive. The easily modifiable Defender's end was probably long overdue.

Isn't the new 'Defender' also a Sheep in Wolfs clothing - it gives the illusion of being something by reflecting a familiar shape ?

I think we'll have to wait to see how it compares to the Land Rover offer when/if the Grenadier finally gets into the market.
Land Rover have moved the whole range upmarket (price, image & servicing costs), the Grenadier seems to be aimed lower down but we'll have to wait and see.

Colin

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A mate of mine, an Ex-LRA engineer said you wouldn't believe how labour intensive the old girl was to build.
He didn't get it until he visited Solihull and saw it fist hand when he was there to present some engineering stuff that the UK questioned could be done.

Having said that, development costs had been amortised 30 years ago, and the 25,000 units/year that some say was an indicator of low popularity was the limit of that line.
Land Rover would've had to build a new line to increase production, and there's no way that would happen with a car that was being legislated out of existence.

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Originally Posted by rick130

A mate of mine, an Ex-LRA engineer said you wouldn't believe how labour intensive the old girl was to build.
He didn't get it until he visited Solihull and saw it fist hand when he was there to present some engineering stuff that the UK questioned could be done.

Having said that, development costs had been amortised 30 years ago, and the 25,000 units/year that some say was an indicator of low popularity was the limit of that line.
Land Rover would've had to build a new line to increase production, and there's no way that would happen with a car that was being legislated out of existence.

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I had similar - the RR Autobiography of the time cost less to build than a Defender!

https://youtu.be/9AerxfQ8p6E

SBD4 beat me with the Marketing video.

I have to say that the Ineos Grenadier concept would suit me more than a Defender, and I think this would be true of many country people also.

They are obviously serious as you don't buy a 500million euros plant if you are not serious, although I am sure they didn't pay anything like that.

With the closure of big parts of Europe to ICE cars maybe they will take Australia seriously, and I see the markets as The Middle East , Russia, Asia, Africa and Australia . I cannot see the USA as a major market but you never Know.
Depends what their viable volume is.
Regards PhilipA

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

With the closure of big parts of Europe to ICE cars maybe they will take Australia seriously, and I see the markets as The Middle East , Russia, Asia, Africa and Australia . I cannot see the USA as a major market but you never Know.

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Ineos are doing a deal with Hyundai on an automotive fuel cell. Electric car without the inconvenience of batteries (once Hydrogen is readily available at servos !).
Ineos Grenadier Could Get Hyundai Fuel Cell Power With New Deal

So you could maybe have either an IC engine running on hydrogen or a fuel cell powering an electric version.

Seems they are also working on producing hydrogen.......
INEOS launches a new Clean Hydrogen Business to accelerate the drive to net zero carbon emissions


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Colin

Grenadier Ineos, seems Australia is to be a key market.
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Ineos Grenadier petrol prototype specifications

Price £40,000 (estimated) Engine 6 cyls in line, 2998cc, turbocharged, petrol Power 283bhp Torque 332lb ft Transmission 8-speed automatic plus 2-speed transfer case Kerb weight 2650kg (estimated) Top speed 100mph Dimensions 4927(L) x 1930(W) x 2033(H) Towing capacity 3500kg Ground clearance 257.8mm Approach angle 35.9deg Departure angle 35.9deg
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I like the body shape...although it does look a tad similar to a vehicle already here.

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Originally Posted by Hogarthde

I like the body shape...although it does look a tad similar to a vehicle already here.

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No harm in that! Glad to see someone willing to develop such a vehicle. Solihull don't want to do it so why not Ineos?

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Originally Posted by spudfan

No harm in that! Glad to see someone willing to develop such a vehicle. Solihull don't want to do it so why not Ineos?

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And doing it well from all reports.

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Originally Posted by spudfan

Grenadier Ineos, seems Australia is to be a key market.

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They've been recruiting here for a range of job positions.
There is another thread already running Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Colin