Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

I want one…but…
BUT is there an EV or Hydrogen version on the way?

Given Australia's current roll out speed of EV charging stations how long do you think it would take to have a network of hydrogen fill stations? :-)

Yeah, I also love that interior !

Mike

Originally Posted by speleomike

Given Australia's current roll out speed of EV charging stations how long do you think it would take to have a network of hydrogen fill stations? :-)

Catch 22, until there is a demand why would companies install them ?
Seems we're up to four stations already long way to go......but to be fair they are still for research vehicles as there are only two car models that run on hydrogen at present.

Hydrogen cars: CSIRO to build Australia’s fourth, Melbourne’s second refuelling point | CarAdvice


Colin

Originally Posted by speleomike

Given Australia's current roll out speed of EV charging stations how long do you think it would take to have a network of hydrogen fill stations? :-)

Yeah, I also love that interior !

Mike

Remember when LPG started out - you couldn't really get it anywhere and I remember when the local farm supply got an LPG tank and bowser in - jetsons type stuff I thought but now this is all so commonplace. I think Hydrogen would be easier to get out there than EV charging stations as you only need a normal electric supply for fuel bowsers, but huge electrical infrastructure for any decent EV charging - which is a much larger challenge and much more expensive - particularly as you get more remote. This is why I think battery powered EV's are only a step in the development of the tech until fuel cells and their support networks roll out and I don't think battery powered EV's will end up being the be all and end all of transport but part of a mix.

Given the EV tech as far as motors, control, etc will fit a fuel cell model, then it's not wasted tech, but just a step along the way to something more that will make more sense to a lot of people. Both Battery and Fuel cell EV's will live happily side by side eventually I think.

Both Charging points and Hydrogen will become much more available in the coming years and in 25 to 30 years we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Brilliant! And the interior. I want one…but…

BUT is there an EV or Hydrogen version on the way? If not it’s a deal breaker.

I should think if the company can sell plenty of the original diesel variant and they stay profitable long enough (A big ask I think) then an EV or fuel celled version would come at some stage - 5 to 10 years if the company is still around would be my guess.

So my only gripe with the Grenadier is no manual gearbox?
They rabbit on about built on purpose and the videos with NGO use in remote locations etc.

*A modern manual gearbox doesnt require electronics or engine input data to function (unlike a modern automatic transmission).
*When some local driver leaves the key on or the lights on and the battery goes flat, a manual gearbox can be roll started, push started by half a dozern locals, bumped by another vehicle.
*Generally if a manual gearbox fails you often have at least one gear somewhere that lets you keep going.
*Show me any NGO mechanic that could pull apart an auto in the middle of no-where with dust and hobble it back together enough to get it moving again.
*if the clutch takes a dump you again can start in gear, get it going in some form.

A 76 series Land Cruiser with the old straight 6 as offered in africa or middle east to me still seems like a better vehicle for NGO or remote use.

Hi

Originally Posted by Homestar

I should think if the company can sell plenty of the original diesel variant and they stay profitable long enough (A big ask I think) then an EV or fuel celled version would come at some stage - 5 to 10 years if the company is still around would be my guess.

I think this is spot-on. Ineos will not be able to get the investment to develop a H2 or EV unless their sales are significant and they are profitable. So to help the environment you need to help Ineos develop their H2 or EV and to do that we need to buy their diesel version ASAP :-)

Mike

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

A 76 series Land Cruiser with the old straight 6 as offered in africa or middle east to me still seems like a better vehicle for NGO or remote use.

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Being as reliable as the 70's will be a huge challenge for them,if they are to target those sorts of markets.