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Please don't take this the wrong way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozscott
Needing this is an admission that you will need that. I have the complete GTR stuff for my Defender...rarely have I needed it. So if the Grenadier has that why would you need it? The modern machine is beyond accessibility for us mere mortals let alone a grease monkey in Oodnadatta.
That's why folks have Toyotas!
But the reality is that the things that break are the basic things, not the fancy things.
Haha. No I disagree. They are just showing that the enthusiast can modify, add to, service and (down the track like any new vehicle) repair their pride and joy. Even adding spot lights, it is very handy to have the electrical diagrams for things like high beam trigger wires etc. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by one_iota
PS. I also don't agree that Yota are the Japanese brand benchmark any more in terms of pure reliability in 4wds.
I secretly hankered after a traditional Defender for years...probably still do[bighmmm]. I also seriously considered a 70 series until spending time with a mate of 40 years at the property he manages. There I drove the 70 series and realised that unless it had 20 bags of cement on the tray the ride was at odds with the health of my spinal cord! Reports of NVH with the Defender /Puma and other issues tended to put me off especially when I realised that I was in fact at the time, requiring a practical vehicle which would also serve as a comfortable interstate tourer to support elderly parents.... Time passes!Quote:
Originally Posted by one_iota
The Ineos Grenadier seems to represent that "practical" vehicle, their stated design criteria requires it inter alia to be a "comfortable" workplace...hence the Recaro supplied seats, attention to NVH and suspension settings tuned to specific markets. If I owned one, I wouldn't have any qualms about drilling holes in it, adding brackets etc etc...it "invites" DIY tinkering[thumbsupbig]. My former P38 certainly did not lend itself to this, nor would a new Defender (in my opinion)... I had a good look at one in a car park the other day... "luxurious" came to mind[biggrin]... I'd be hesitant to take it off road for fear of hashing the paintwork!... I don't think one can get away from some electronics... but it's the heavy duty underpinnings which appear to set the Grenadier apart... like the 70 series Toyotas...but more up-to-date. Food for thought...
From my point of view:Quote:
Originally Posted by one_iota
I want something that's rugged like a Defender, has decent power and an auto box for towing, yet is comfy for long trips, and looks nice enough that I can take the mrs out to dinner and not look out of place. Basically just a Defender for the current year.
I don't like how most dual cab utes drive, being so oversprung in the back, and some of them have pretty severe reliability issues (Ranger) or only come with a 4cyl and need a warranty voiding tune to comfortably tow heavy things.
Aside from that, the closest thing is probably a 70 series, but chassis wise they feel a step back from Defender, the interiors slightly better but that's not a high bar to jump over, and again only a manual box.
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I also think the new Defender is far too complex and LR have such a terrible track record with reliability and they're very expensive. I don't doubt that they are a good car, but they aren't really a Defender, and don't suit what I want.
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What else would you turn up in? [emoji56]
According to the team 8-9 of every ten people coming to look at them turned up in a Land Rover of some description.
Probably a bit unfair to bag out LR so much IMO as they are always in front of the other players - always have been - and I think this is partly why they at times aren’t as reliable or seem more complicated than other vehicles. Lots of OEM’s play it safe regurgitating the same tech model after model with only minor tweaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by econti
The new Land Rover line up isn’t really for me overall - BUT - I’ll tell you now after driving a new Defender I’d definitely have one of I had the money for one and an Ineos- but the Ineos is on my list.
Tombie, the Grenadier looks a fair bit wider than the Defender? Is that just the way they look or are they actually?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Sitting in both the front and back - it’s much larger by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slunnie
No squash against B pillars, significant leg room for both front and rear passengers.
When I was in the back - 3 full width seats - Em had the front seat set for her with plenty of room. I had about 10 inches between my knees and the back of her seat.
Sitting in the front - it was like being in the D4 with a wider middle console.
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Slunnie, did you realise the D2 has a 100mm/126mm-F/R wider track than a Deefer or D1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slunnie
And the D2 isn't big.
I had no idea until 2 weeks ago.
The 90/110/130 is Series dimensions inside.
Looks like Ineos have addressed a major complaint about the old girls.