Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

If LR had decide to update the old Defender and bring it into the 21st century, the result would been similar to what is being done with Ineos. But this the exception of the runout years Defender sales were bad so there was little financial incentive.

Lots of support for Ineos from people on this forum who drove around (and still do) in early 90s Defenders that were bought second hand then and are/were too tight to upgrade to a new traditional style Defender and they will not buy a new Ineos despite their praises.

To those early adopters who have put money down on a vehicle that is not even in production - well good on you, that is your choice - at least you have the courage of your convictions.

I expect the Ineos will go into production and be sold here in G wagen territory with similar sales - it will suffer the LR issue of poor regional support and will always just be a niche brand. Old traditional Defender drivers are unlikely to buy but those who bought a runnout Puma may upgrade.

Garry

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Sounds like words from a prophet . :whistling:

I agree with Mike, aesthetically it looks like a chinese reproduction of a traditional Defender.
I'm sure its a marvellous vehicle, but AESTHETICALLY, its no where near as good looking as a defender of old (and new)

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Originally Posted by Vern

I agree with Mike, aesthetically it looks like a chinese reproduction of a traditional Defender.
I'm sure its a marvellous vehicle, but AESTHETICALLY, its no where near as good looking as a defender of old (and new)

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As a person with a design background, I agree. The Ineos is derivative...it has taken cues from the Land Rover. The Land Rover evolved successfully or otherwise depending on your bias. So what you see from 1948 to 2016 has a lineage. The Ineos doesn't. From a purists point of view the Ineos product is a pastiche. It might be good but did it need to look like that?

The new Defender starts with a clean slate and the latest technology. The Ineos is an impressive vehicle but just as the new Defender, practically what is its future when you can buy a Hilux or a Ranger to move bales of hay?

Especially as the new Ranger is getting the TDV6.
That will be a great combo

As I don't move bales of hay and as I'm an insufferable LR romantic I'll keep my old Defender and have a new Defender as well....tradition=heart over mind!!

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Originally Posted by one_iota

you can buy a Hilux or a Ranger to move bales of hay?

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But there are many around,that want a wagon,not a ute,for whatever the reason.

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Originally Posted by scarry

But there are many around,that want a wagon,not a ute,for whatever the reason.

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But of course...That's why Toyota has its many offerings and why I have my Defender!

There is a view that the new Defender should have been an agricultural vehicle. There is also a view that the Ineos is that. I dispute those views because of what Toyota offers.

So I'll put it this way: if the Ineos Grenadier is the solution what was the problem?

(An excellent discussion from all here by the way!)

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Originally Posted by Mules

one_iota,

Tough call for a Puma driver, sure.

But I know which one I'd choose.

May yours serve you reliably.

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The experience with mine is mixed but predictable. It gets me there and back again. My last big trip was over 12000 km. The support I get when needed (rarely) is exemplary, this being a result of this AULRO community and those who service Land Rovers for a living.

The Ineos product and particularly support is unknown and hypothetical. Regardless of Ineos best intent, it's still a concept as opposed to a reality.

So good luck if you choose the other. I'll choose my nest here.

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Originally Posted by Vern

I agree with Mike, aesthetically it looks like a chinese reproduction of a traditional Defender.
I'm sure its a marvellous vehicle, but AESTHETICALLY, its no where near as good looking as a defender of old (and new)

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Vern i agree with that. It doesn't look nearly as good. It looks like the love child of a 110 and older G Wagen. However reliability and off the shelf ability should be (and probably will be) a step up from Defender (especially the more recent examples) and every bit as niche (the availability of schematics and parts lists etc will ensure that in part). I hope it succeeds because of the raft of anaemic vehicles on offer these days and I really don't like the new Defender. Cheers