Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

I went for a ride in one at Berrimah. I went with a mate, we were both suprised by the lack of clearance underneath with the steering damper, rear suspension mounts and fuel tank quite low.
The supension felt harsh on the drive and the travel looks to be limited for a solid axle vehicle. The rear seating is hard and the seatback upright and the vision is limited out the side windows, I suspect it would be uncomfortable fairly quickly.
I agree with a lot of Stefan's comments and I think he is looking at the Grenadier more as a tourer than a rock crawler.

We both thought it was funny when the Ineos sales guy told us that keyless start and entry would complicate it too much and then we found out it has 32 ECU modules.

I hope they listen to the feedback before production and address some of the issues in the prototype. There are some good ideas but I won't be putting down my $5K deposit and want to see the production vehicle and drive it before adding to the list of 4x4s I would buy.

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Strange. Hear a few comments on back seats yet I found them supportive and comfortable.

Rear vision is camera sorted - after all on a trip you cannot see out them anyway.

Ground clearance is minimum 250mm stock. Not too shabby. I’ve always found that regardless how high a vehicle - you can always find clearance +20mm obstacles regardless [emoji41]

Yes - nearly all the 'problems with electronics' are actually wiring issues or sometimes sensors of various types.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Yes - nearly all the 'problems with electronics' are actually wiring issues or sometimes sensors of various types.

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With less electronics,there is less wiring and sensors to go wrong,i presume.

Less unnecessary complications also means less electronics.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Strange. Hear a few comments on back seats yet I found them supportive and comfortable.

Rear vision is camera sorted - after all on a trip you cannot see out them anyway.

Ground clearance is minimum 250mm stock. Not too shabby. I’ve always found that regardless how high a vehicle - you can always find clearance +20mm obstacles regardless [emoji41]

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I've got to agree as well... I found the rear seats; leg room; arm rest room on the front/rear doors; front seating all great and comfy. At 6" I had no problems with room at all. The performance was impressive. Ground clearance is average but if u can fit higher profile tyres all the better.
My concerns are:
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*Transmission cooler behind Front LHS Front bumper (Too exposed to getting clogged with mud, etc and possible damage)
*The Rear Trailing Arm support brackets seem to hang quite low and exposed to rock damage
*The Rear Muffler Shield seems to be a issue in regards to scooping up sand/mud. (The Ineos fella hinted at removing the East/West Muffler and fitting a Nth/Sth smaller Muffler which in turn would leave a area for a extra Fuel capacity).
* The Driveshafts use a CV type instead of the usual Uni joint - will this be an issue over time and the cost replacement - know idea
*Would have been nice to be able to fold the rear seats flat would have been good but not a big deal
*Is there enough room underneath to increase fuel capacity? It will be a while before any aftermarket manufacturer develops one in the short term...

just my thoughts

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Originally Posted by Robmacca

I've got to agree as well... I found the rear seats; leg room; arm rest room on the front/rear doors; front seating all great and comfy. At 6" I had no problems with room at all. The performance was impressive. Ground clearance is average but if u can fit higher profile tyres all the better.
My concerns are:
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*Transmission cooler behind Front LHS Front bumper (Too exposed to getting clogged with mud, etc and possible damage)
*The Rear Trailing Arm support brackets seem to hang quite low and exposed to rock damage
*The Rear Muffler Shield seems to be a issue in regards to scooping up sand/mud. (The Ineos fella hinted at removing the East/West Muffler and fitting a Nth/Sth smaller Muffler which in turn would leave a area for a extra Fuel capacity).
* The Driveshafts use a CV type instead of the usual Uni joint - will this be an issue over time and the cost replacement - know idea
*Would have been nice to be able to fold the rear seats flat would have been good but not a big deal
*Is there enough room underneath to increase fuel capacity? It will be a while before any aftermarket manufacturer develops one in the short term...

just my thoughts

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Front seats were great. Rear backrest too upright, set bases very firm, view out side window restricted by lack of side window height.
Fuel tank was hanging down at the same level as rear trailing arm brackets, brackets would be something that it would hang up on as it isn't a smooth transition.

I'd like the rear seat to fold flat as well but this isn't a big problem.

If I could afford a new 4wd I'd buy one of these. It ticks alot of boxes and looks great as well I reckon. Come on power ball. [emoji16]

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Originally Posted by Geedublya

Front seats were great. Rear backrest too upright, set bases very firm, view out side window restricted by lack of side window height.
Fuel tank was hanging down at the same level as rear trailing arm brackets, brackets would be something that it would hang up on as it isn't a smooth transition.

I'd like the rear seat to fold flat as well but this isn't a big problem.

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You mean the temporary tank?
With the huge Undamaged guard?

For a hard tourer this thing will be right up there.

A realistic look under an older Disco/Defender shows significantly more hang up points than the Ineos.

What isn’t really on Ineos radar is hard core crawlers - that’s not their market demographic.

As for back seat views - only the D3/4 fit that bill.
Heck I have to duck to see out the front side windows of our 90.

(And stop slouching in the seats, it’s bad for your back) tic [emoji41]

Having read the previous posts I got to wondering about the Ineos...its stated clearance is 258mm.
On that note I had a bit of a browse at Car Ground Clearance, Specs and Info There are detailed comparisons per the pull down menu is the top RHS of the home page.
What surprised me was that the 2017 LC 200 series (facelifted model) was 226mm (194-206 laden) while the 2017 Prado is 215mm (183-195 laden) while larger (1") wheels provide 12mm increase to 227mm
The Jeep in its various iterations varies from 216 -254mm. There are many other marques and models to compare.
On this basis the standard 258mm claimed by Ineos is quite competitive.

Re. the comfort of the rear seats, ...bit of a different experience... I was accompanied by my ever patient wife who (despite my generous offer to swap seats at the half way point[bigrolf]) sat in the rear seats for the entire 15-20 min extended ride (we were the last couple for the afternoon, so "our" driver went 'exploring' a couple of other tracks) commented that she thought the rear seats were surprisingly comfortable.
As for proceeding to purchase, she's happy to do so provided I make good on the promise to travel! The Santa Fe is surprisingly capable on loose surfaces but with 180 mm clearance loaded, one has to be very alert....

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Originally Posted by Don 130

We've heard of the bloke Jim Ratcliffe who wants to copy the Defender. Do you think it's an idea that'll fly? There are a lot of 4x4s out there already.
Discuss.

Projekt Grenadier

Don

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Don,
I think the answer is assuredly yes![bigsmile1]

Email from Ineos today advising that full pricing, trim level options, accessories, etc as of 28 April with order book opening for a month for paid up "early hand raiser" reservation holders in May, then other reservation holders...etc for build slots.
"Reality bites"![biggrin]

The Grenadier seems as if it has been around for so long that they should be into the first update by now, however other than a couple of prototypes has the vehicle actually gone into production as yet - seems like a lot of talk but not much producing.