Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Why we comparing a 300 series with a Ineos - they are a different class of vehicle - might as well as compare a Ineos with FF RR.

Need to compare apples with apples - Ineos competes with the Toyota 70 series in Aust - I really dont see anything else - except maybe for a basic Defender.

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The 300 GX,GXL,similar price,similar size,similar class,similar off road ability,competing for similar market of purchasers.

Something like a FFRR is nothing like either of them.

The 70s are different,leaf springs,manual only,rough as without mods,commercial vehicles,most of the range is utes.

Anyway,just my 2 cents worth[biggrin]

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Why we comparing a 300 series with a Ineos - they are a different class of vehicle - might as well as compare a Ineos with FF RR.

Need to compare apples with apples - Ineos competes with the Toyota 70 series in Aust - I really dont see anything else - except maybe for a basic Defender.

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I think that is a fair comparison - well from where I sit anyway. I am extremely interested in an Ineos, but won't be an early adopter - I'm probably 18 months to 2 years away from ordering something. I have looked at the 300 series as well - and it falls into a very similar price bracket, so if the Ineos doesn't stack up when I go to buy for whatever reason, then a 300 series could be on the cards. No way I'd be looking at a 70 series. So it will depend on what the buyer want - both the 300 and 70 series are potential options depending on intended use from what I can see.

I reckon they will be difficult to buy once the American market opens. I've been looking at the forums and the yanks are crazy keen. They but jeeps by the hundreds of thousands for Christ sake. They are ****ed that Australia is getting them before they are.

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Originally Posted by Deefa

I reckon they will be difficult to buy once the American market opens. I've been looking at the forums and the yanks are crazy keen. They but jeeps by the hundreds of thousands for Christ sake. They are ****ed that Australia is getting them before they are.

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Initially maybe, although they are allocating numbers to each market many years in advance but they won't say how many, but did mention Australia will be their 3rd largest market, so I would assume they'll still have allocations here each year, but one of the reasons I'm still on the fence is no one really has any idea how they'll go in the long or even short term. I'm not about to drop that much coin on something that's unproven. I have my fingers crossed they'll be everything that's claimed once the first bugs are sorted (there will be some, there always are)

I'm waiting on the dual cab ute to emerge, that has a much more direct comparison with the 70 series and is not in any way comparable with the 300 series cruiser.

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I recall one of the main Engineers or designers (can't recall which) saying openly early on that it would be 4 star and very solid. So yep it will not garner fleets but I venture to say it would unlikely garner such customers for many years even if could achieve 5 stars. Cheers

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That’s not what they were saying - that fleets and emergency services was a key target demographic to keep sales flowing.

Look, I hope it works, but won’t be drinking the “Kickstarter” cool-aid.

It’s looking more and more like a road based runabout as the next vehicle and keep the 3 LRs

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Originally Posted by Tombie

That’s not what they were saying - that fleets and emergency services was a key target demographic to keep sales flowing.

Look, I hope it works, but won’t be drinking the “Kickstarter” cool-aid.

It’s looking more and more like a road based runabout as the next vehicle and keep the 3 LRs

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Then they were kidding themselves. I didn't realise they said they were targeting fleets and ES. Without 5 stars and without the main players badge that was always aspirational rather than realistic in my view. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Then they were kidding themselves. I didn't realise they said they were targeting fleets and ES. Without 5 stars and without the main players badge that was always aspirational rather than realistic in my view. Cheers

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Maybe it isn't Australian fleets that they are interested in, someone made mention of the number of Jeeps sold in the US - Clearly ANCAP ratings don't impact market penetration there. On a slight side topic I was talking to an importer of upmarket side by side UTVs on the weekend. Australia decided that Quad bikes were dangerous and the reaction of the manufacturers was to withdraw from the market rather than give their US customers an excuse to litigate because they would need to fit a safety device to quads sold in Australia and it could be perceived that the quads were inherently dangerous without it. Australia is such a small market the manufacturers don't care about us in general.

Regards,
Tote

It's only when you travel overseas that you realise how much of a nanny state we live in Australia. It drives me mad.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

That’s not what they were saying - that fleets and emergency services was a key target demographic to keep sales flowing.

Look, I hope it works, but won’t be drinking the “Kickstarter” cool-aid.

It’s looking more and more like a road based runabout as the next vehicle and keep the 3 LRs

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Yeah such a pity those English farmers drunk the Land Rover cool-aid back in 49'... but wait, we already have the Jeep (and didn't you know that won a war?).

And yes pity those poor souls that spend their hard-earned on Version 1, if only they knew they were just ironing the bugs out of my 'road runabout to-be' a few years down the road.. because no other car fulfils that role better than a heavily-engineered and expensive 4wd.