Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Except. It has all the trim and tech.
It has no capability beyond a D4 or Later or a Defender.

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F&R diff locks that the user can control will take you further than terrain response with an e-diff. As we all know, the e-diff is good but it isn't a locker.

The Grenadier would be just about perfect if it had EAS... but it will be fine without.

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Originally Posted by Arch

As we all know, the e-diff is good but it isn't a locker.

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I am not sure I agree with that - at one end of the scale the LR e-diff locks fully so is the same as a locker but at the other end of the it is fully open with everything in between - so when it needs to be fully locked like a normal locker it is.

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Originally Posted by Arch

F&R diff locks that the user can control will take you further than terrain response with an e-diff. As we all know, the e-diff is good but it isn't a locker.

We dont want to open this can of worms again,its been done to death before,but a late model LR,with E diff isnt far behind dual lockers and much easier to steer.Remembering diffs tucked up high due to IS, on all corners is pretty helpfull in off road situations as well.

The Grenadier would be just about perfect if it had EAS... but it will be fine without.

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As for EAS,some would say maybe not,its one thing less to fail,need maintenance,repairs,etc.

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Originally Posted by Arch

F&R diff locks that the user can control will take you further than terrain response with an e-diff. As we all know, the e-diff is good but it isn't a locker.

The Grenadier would be just about perfect if it had EAS... but it will be fine without.

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Sorry but that’s not correct. Ediff can be fully locked to fully open.

Those with front lockers know how poorly steering behaves so rarely use them unless absolutely necessary.

What they cannot do either, is preload the rear diff on straight line take off etc assisting normal daily driving.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Those with front lockers know how poorly steering behaves so rarely use them unless absolutely necessary.

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My Haflinger has front and rear diff locks and while I often use the rear locker (mainly when I am in 2wd), I have never had to use the front locker in anger - and you are correct - even in a 650kg vehicle with 25" tyres the steering is extremely heavy let alone driving a 2.5t vehicle with a front locker in.

My 101 has a rear detroit and I have had a air locker kit sitting under the bench for 13years waiting to go in the front but never been in a position to need it so it still sits under the bench - maybe one day.

Garry

I know what you mean. I've got half a lifetime of maybe one day jobs to do ☺️

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Originally Posted by Deefa

I know what you mean. I've got half a lifetime of maybe one day jobs to do ☺️

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Haven't we all[bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by spudfan

Land Rover kept telling us that it would be nigh on impossible to upgrade the Defender to meet safety regulations in it's then current format. Maybe that is what they were told by designers who just did not like it. Anyway they have been proven wrong.

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Well, if it ever completes a crash test then there's every chance that LR may be proven right too...

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Originally Posted by shanegtr

Well, if it ever completes a crash test then there's every chance that LR may be proven right too...

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Probably 4 star on the crash test but every prospect it will do very well on real life crash 'tests'. Cheers

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Originally Posted by Deefa

I think you guys have the wrong take on the grenadier. Its never going to be a replacement for a Discovery 4 at about the same price as a discovery 4 was 10 years ago, with all the creature comforts, key-less start, leather trim, electric seats etc etc. It was always about making a vehicle as simple as possible ( Yes I know that's not that simple anymore) which was primarily an off road biased vehicle and a work vehicle with things like vinyl floors that are hose out, load space that you can throw firewood in with hard wear surfaces and so on. I for one love the concept of this , Land rover ONLY make luxury 4wds now, they abandoned the working vehicle which is what the brand was built on. Thats why so many people where disappointed with the new Defender, including Jim Radcliffe. My head says; new company probably not going to get it 100 percent. Could be gone in a few years, might be hard to get parts etc. But my heart says what a brilliant concept and a bit of an up yours Land Rover for not listening to the Defender owners who do actually use the vehicles as work 4wds.

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Gotta say .... the Grenadier doesn't look that utilitarian. And if it is, its a $100k utilitarian vehicle.