Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

I’ll see if I can explain myself a bit.

Ineos impressed, we liked it. And if it held around $90k we’re willing to “take a chance”.

Well it hasn’t, it has a basic pack around $96k
Add what we want and it’s higher again.

I don’t want a “no nonsense” tourer from the 1960s so still has to have all the nice bits inside as we will spend a lot of time in there.

That pushed it over $100k. Then add all the other costs Inc LCT and it was $115+ for an “unproven” product.

Then a few questions went out to people around here. “Ever serviced a BMW?” Response wasn’t good.

Add in a few little concerns - steering wobble in demo video, foot rest intrusion, door configuration in load area etc and it started to skew thinking.

Then the question of “what if it’s another Delorean”?
In 2 years this project might be a major flop.
Dealers might walk away etc.

That’ll leave me chasing suppliers for parts, and if I needed new trim or panels it may not even be possible.

Add in “what’s customer care like” re warranty and break down? LR will recover the vehicle and help.
Will Ineos do the same? How long to actually get the parts to get back on the road again?

It’s NOT like this isn’t a complex vehicle.
People freak on “80 ECU” comments yet this vehicles only reduction in tech is solid axles.

It has:
Electronically controlled engine
Electronically controlled gearbox
Electric windows, locks, AC, Bluetooth, Nav, solenoids for lockers….. etc

It’s not anything new anywhere, and certainly not less electronic than anything else.

So…..

If we go the new 4wd route… it’ll likely be a Defender.
However, Mini Countryman is looking like a good daily driver and keep the D4 as the tourer.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Not at the moment you cannot.

Covid tax has seen prices on total piles of rubbish jump.

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Agreed, I bought the 79 series 5 or 6 years ago when things were normal But the covid dust will finally settle and hopefully everything will will come back to normal again[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

I’ll see if I can explain myself a bit.

Ineos impressed, we liked it. And if it held around $90k we’re willing to “take a chance”.

Well it hasn’t, it has a basic pack around $96k
Add what we want and it’s higher again.

I don’t want a “no nonsense” tourer from the 1960s so still has to have all the nice bits inside as we will spend a lot of time in there.

That pushed it over $100k. Then add all the other costs Inc LCT and it was $115+ for an “unproven” product.

Then a few questions went out to people around here. “Ever serviced a BMW?” Response wasn’t good.

Add in a few little concerns - steering wobble in demo video, foot rest intrusion, door configuration in load area etc and it started to skew thinking.

Then the question of “what if it’s another Delorean”?
In 2 years this project might be a major flop.
Dealers might walk away etc.

That’ll leave me chasing suppliers for parts, and if I needed new trim or panels it may not even be possible.

Add in “what’s customer care like” re warranty and break down? LR will recover the vehicle and help.
Will Ineos do the same? How long to actually get the parts to get back on the road again?

It’s NOT like this isn’t a complex vehicle.
People freak on “80 ECU” comments yet this vehicles only reduction in tech is solid axles.

It has:
Electronically controlled engine
Electronically controlled gearbox
Electric windows, locks, AC, Bluetooth, Nav, solenoids for lockers….. etc

It’s not anything new anywhere, and certainly not less electronic than anything else.

So…..

If we go the new 4wd route… it’ll likely be a Defender.
However, Mini Countryman is looking like a good daily driver and keep the D4 as the tourer.

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying. When I did the test drive I asked about keyless entry and start. The marketing guy commented that this was a simple 4wd and wouldn't have these complicated tech and then later he mentioned it had 32 ECUs? Which is pretty similar to what my D4 had.

I priced up a new Defender to my spec and it came in at $126K and a 12 month wait. I'll probably go a dual cab ute for the moment and see what else comes out.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

It’s not anything new anywhere, and certainly not less electronic than anything else.

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Its certainly a lot less electronic than Defender.

One only has to look at the EAS system,and thats just the start.

I think you guys have the wrong take on the grenadier. Its never going to be a replacement for a Discovery 4 at about the same price as a discovery 4 was 10 years ago, with all the creature comforts, key-less start, leather trim, electric seats etc etc. It was always about making a vehicle as simple as possible ( Yes I know that's not that simple anymore) which was primarily an off road biased vehicle and a work vehicle with things like vinyl floors that are hose out, load space that you can throw firewood in with hard wear surfaces and so on. I for one love the concept of this , Land rover ONLY make luxury 4wds now, they abandoned the working vehicle which is what the brand was built on. Thats why so many people where disappointed with the new Defender, including Jim Radcliffe. My head says; new company probably not going to get it 100 percent. Could be gone in a few years, might be hard to get parts etc. But my heart says what a brilliant concept and a bit of an up yours Land Rover for not listening to the Defender owners who do actually use the vehicles as work 4wds.

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Originally Posted by Deefa

I think you guys have the wrong take on the grenadier. Its never going to be a replacement for a Discovery 4 at about the same price as a discovery 4 was 10 years ago, with all the creature comforts, key-less start, leather trim, electric seats etc etc. It was always about making a vehicle as simple as possible ( Yes I know that's not that simple anymore) which was primarily an off road biased vehicle and a work vehicle with things like vinyl floors that are hose out, load space that you can throw firewood in with hard wear surfaces and so on. I for one love the concept of this , Land rover ONLY make luxury 4wds now, they abandoned the working vehicle which is what the brand was built on. Thats why so many people where disappointed with the new Defender, including Jim Radcliffe. My head says; new company probably not going to get it 100 percent. Could be gone in a few years, might be hard to get parts etc. But my heart says what a brilliant concept and a bit of an up yours Land Rover for not listening to the Defender owners who do actually use the vehicles as work 4wds.

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Except. It has all the trim and tech.
It has a cargo area that WILL mark up if you throw wood in there without further protection.

It has no capability beyond a D4 or Later or a Defender.

All it has is slab sides. And for those who cannot wrap their head around smoother profiles this becomes “rugged” in their minds.

Same took place when the 60 series became the rounder 80 series.
Same happened when the VL became the VN
Heck it even went the other way from XC to XD


Ineos is a nice vehicle. It’s price point has me saying no.

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Originally Posted by scarry

Its certainly a lot less electronic than Defender.

One only has to look at the EAS system,and thats just the start.

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An EAS system that has proven very effective and reliable.

As for ECU count. It’s not anything fancy most times - Bluetooth modules are ECUs. So are the modern circuits that control your windscreen wipers.

The only ones that matter are the ones that keep it running.
And they ALL have those ones.

Dare I say that a lot of the electrical systems in the new Defender have already been around a while - in D4’s, Range Rovers, etc.

It’s updated but not entirely new.

Ineos have no doubt realised that to meet “user requirements” and safety features - electronics are required.

Ineos have realised - you can’t build an old Defender anymore.. It just isn’t possible (or perhaps economically viable)

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Except. It has all the trim and tech.
It has a cargo area that WILL mark up if you throw wood in there without further protection.

It has no capability beyond a D4 or Later or a Defender.

All it has is slab sides. And for those who cannot wrap their head around smoother profiles this becomes “rugged” in their minds.

Same took place when the 60 series became the rounder 80 series.
Same happened when the VL became the VN
Heck it even went the other way from XC to XD


Ineos is a nice vehicle. It’s price point has me saying no.

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Surprised 'VN' got past the swear filter Mike. Wasnt until the VT that Holden got it right again [emoji1787]. Cheers

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