Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by chuck

Disco Dicky

All new cars will have faults it is how they are dealt with that it is more important.

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And some generally have way more than others....

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Originally Posted by chuck

Following Tombie's logic they may not exist in two years because their cars will be same price as other established players

Initially Ineos indicated their product would be competing with 70 series Landcruiser's & having just bought a 79 i can tell you they are much more expensive even with the accessories i had to fit to modernise mine.

Even if i spent $28k to convert it to auto they would be more expensive.

So they fill a niche for first years and then expire!!

Hope not but a real possibility.

They are not far off 300 series GR Cruiser which will be just as capable and is a known quantity.

I built and priced one on line and got to $114,000 plus on roads approx $8000 then approx $15000 LCT

So near on $140 k

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Hi Chuck, Sorry I cant follow. do you mean the cruiser is more expensive or the Grenadier?

For me an auto would be essential as my wife would not drive a manual. To get the grenadier to $114 k you must have ticked a lot of options. The trial-master edition has pretty much everything I want already, Lockers, snorkel, towbar ,preinstalled extra wiring etc. I built mine to $98465 Which is the standard trial master , and just metallic paint, floor mats,and guard top chequer plate. I may add a bull bar, roof rack and possibly a winch down the track.

For a Queensland purchase this would be $98465 plus stamp duty and Rego costs of $4363 plus the dreaded luxury car tax of $7560 Total of $110,388. The only unknown here is the dealer delivery cost?? Still a lot of money but I would be interested in a comparison to a 79 series with an Automatic transmission. ( do they make an auto 79?) Or for that mater a 300 series cruiser.

Anybody done the sums on a comparison ?

Luxury car tax is 30% of sum above $68000 approx - so well

Stamps in Vic $8000 odd dollars

Leather, winch, sliders, metallic paint, rear spare storage all add up pretty quickly.

They don't make an auto for the 70 series however Wholesale Automatics do an awesome conversion using all Toyota parts for one.

Thanks Chuck, Its a viable option a Land cruiser. Auto is my main issue as my wife wouldn't drive the manual. Also my wife is not so keen on the 79 series as she sees it as being a truck. She would probably drive a 300 series no problem! I might go over to Toyota and see what that adds up to as a point of comparison.

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Originally Posted by Deefa

Thanks Chuck, Its a viable option a Land cruiser. Auto is my main issue as my wife wouldn't drive the manual. Also my wife is not so keen on the 79 series as she sees it as being a truck. She would probably drive a 300 series no problem! I might go over to Toyota and see what that adds up to as a point of comparison.

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Thanks Deefa, great comments and interested in your comparison. Cheers

Yes - would have preferred an auto as would my wife.

Am enjoying the manual so far - but then most of my driving is freeway or country.

Cheers

Well....
I put together a spreadsheet comparing the Station wagon ($85,500)with the Trial Master $96,495...
There's a couple of interesting comparisons: The difflock plus BFG KO2s called the "Rough Pack" is $2,875 , or $3,650 separately.
Difflocks by themselves are $2,790 if you want to stay with the Ineos/Bridgestone offering.

I priced up the Wagon with just those extras which I figure would be my view of "fit for purpose" [bigwhistle] viz: the Rough Pack, side runners (arthritic hip!) , roof cross bars, reflective privacy glass,Spare wheel storage box, a half height cargo barrier, tow pack, the high load electric panel, the Thatchem Class1 alarm system and carpeted floor. This came to a tad shy of $96K which then escalated to $112.5K with on-costs (excluding 'dealer fee') but incl Gst/LCT/Rego, Qld Stamp duty and RACQ comprehensive insurance (estimate).
I've been assured from a couple of reliable sources that my current Dec 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe diesel which has 4 1/2 yrs factory warranty to run and less than 20K Km on the clock would bring close to new car price for a private sale such is the madness of the market at the moment... will wait and see.


I have written to Ineos customer service asking about the 1 7/8" towball ...Aust market is 50mm; whether power mirrors (unheated) are standard. Also, whether there is a standard alarm/immobiliser and the Thatchem is an upgrade. I get the feeling that there will be a more detailed spec sheet released well before 18May (I sincerely hope there is!) which is the cutoff for early hand raisers for build slot deposit.

I took a quick look at "East Coast Commercial" website for a "Ronny Dahl basic Troopy" There was one 2022 with approx 2,500km at $109K while the rest of them between 4-6 yrs old with well over 130k km were asking $90K +!! That scratched the Troopy itch![biggrin]

Very grateful for all the other comments from varying perspectives on this topic... thank you
cheers

Re. The Tow package for those perhaps compiling their options list...

Further to my previous post, I note that the Tow hitch listed for Australia Code ETK is the one for the US market (Class III North American Spec)

I believe it should be Code ETI "50mm towball and Jaw and electrics" as listed in the UK price list which would on the face of it at least be in line with Australian Std 4177.2

I've emailed the Customer Service people as well as one of the Ineos marketing chaps at the Qld Rathdowney drive day earlier in the year. We'll see what happens!

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Originally Posted by Hoges

Well....
I put together a spreadsheet comparing the Station wagon ($85,500)with the Trial Master $96,495...
There's a couple of interesting comparisons: The difflock plus BFG KO2s called the "Rough Pack" is $2,875 , or $3,650 separately.
Difflocks by themselves are $2,790 if you want to stay with the Ineos/Bridgestone offering.

I priced up the Wagon with just those extras which I figure would be my view of "fit for purpose" [bigwhistle] viz: the Rough Pack, side runners (arthritic hip!) , roof cross bars, reflective privacy glass,Spare wheel storage box, a half height cargo barrier, tow pack, the high load electric panel, the Thatchem Class1 alarm system and carpeted floor. This came to a tad shy of $96K which then escalated to $112.5K with on-costs (excluding 'dealer fee') but incl Gst/LCT/Rego, Qld Stamp duty and RACQ comprehensive insurance (estimate).
I've been assured from a couple of reliable sources that my current Dec 2019 Hyundai Santa Fe diesel which has 4 1/2 yrs factory warranty to run and less than 20K Km on the clock would bring close to new car price for a private sale such is the madness of the market at the moment... will wait and see.


I have written to Ineos customer service asking about the 1 7/8" towball ...Aust market is 50mm; whether power mirrors (unheated) are standard. Also, whether there is a standard alarm/immobiliser and the Thatchem is an upgrade. I get the feeling that there will be a more detailed spec sheet released well before 18May (I sincerely hope there is!) which is the cutoff for early hand raisers for build slot deposit.

I took a quick look at "East Coast Commercial" website for a "Ronny Dahl basic Troopy" There was one 2022 with approx 2,500km at $109K while the rest of them between 4-6 yrs old with well over 130k km were asking $90K +!! That scratched the Troopy itch![biggrin]

Very grateful for all the other comments from varying perspectives on this topic... thank you
cheers

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I picked up my 79 Series with a full canopy, full length roof Rack, an under tray storage box, and even a 20l water tank with tap plus it was already fitted with a mild chip and a 5 inch stainless exhaust system for $30,000.
It did have 203000 k on the clock .But I have done another 150,000k since getting it and all I have had to fix is an alternator and a wiper motor So if you shop around you can find a bargain [thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I picked up my 79 Series with a full canopy, full length roof Rack, an under tray storage box, and even a 20l water tank with tap plus it was already fitted with a mild chip and a 5 inch stainless exhaust system for $30,000.
It did have 203000 k on the clock .But I have done another 150,000k since getting it and all I have had to fix is an alternator and a wiper motor So if you shop around you can find a bargain [thumbsupbig]

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Not at the moment you cannot.

Covid tax has seen prices on total piles of rubbish jump.