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I read on car advise that Ineos a car maker I have never heard of are making a car that looks very much like the old Defender with a 3 liter BMW engine I would of thought that Land Rover would have put some sort of protection on the Defender shape this new car at first glance you would swear was a Defender so do car makers have rights over certain iconic deigns as Harley Davision do on the sound of there motors.
And then kill it off .Quote:
Originally Posted by spudfan
Like Iveco bought Santana in Spain , ran the PS10 as the Iveco Massif for 2 years then killed it off, & shut down the factory. Didn't want competition for its new Iveco Daily 4x4
TBH I could not give a toss if JLR fails , they have totally lost my respect, TATA will probably unload JLR & take INEOS under its wing , makes more sense.
I wish INEOS all the success in the world, Im loving the Grenadier, not keen on BMW power plant though, If they produce an Electric version I will buy it.
INEOS Grenadier - The covers are off.
It’s function over...
Their approach is pretty cool on this, and love the commentary around this being the basic, super capable machine, intended to be adapted to personal preference. I have done little more than change to AT tyres on my beast, but I certainly have an appreciation for those that do a little more :)
More like the other way around. Land Rover is a dying pig. Ineos is a much bigger and a profitable company.Quote:
Originally Posted by spudfan
There have been copies of the Deefer before so guessing LR don’t care too much.
The new Grenadier will be interesting and great if it has the Beemer 3l in it.
Exterior Design
IVECO had the Massif, which was a re-badged Santana PS-10 - a square, slab-sided boxy practical thing. Land Rover got The Shape correct, right from the get-go. For practical use it's perfect. Give credit where it's due. [smilebigeye]
I can't see how JLR could prevent anyone making 'distant relative' / boxy likeness, if they could they'd have spiked the Mercedes 'box' And earlier Pajeros, and a few others.
(I had a Gen 1/NG turbo-diesel, nice BIG back door so would fit a pallet in the back which I don't think the latest LR "thing" can manage.)
IMHO, JLR have lost the plot for the 'real 4WD-AWD' end of the market.
Imagine how well they'd go if the Grenadier was strong enough to cope with a mine-site. - According to #1 FIFO Son, nothing lasts up in the NW, even trucks eventually ratttle to bits.
However, no-one has managed to keep the interior rain like the Genuine Article, even through successive face-lifts /models. ! [bigwhistle][bigsad][bigwhistle]Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
On a sober note... 'who discovered the cause and cure? - This Forum or did LR or some random owner ? Sealing and design of the cabin HVAC air intake, was it ???
The Landrover shape has been widely copied in the past - Austin Gypsy, Datsun Patrol, to mention a couple, not to mention licence built variants including Santana, Tempo, Minerva plus the Iranian one I can never remember the name of, without complaints about the shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by laney
And INEOS is a privately held chemical company, which is why you have not heard of the car maker! The owner is Jim Ratcliffe, described as the richest man in the UK, but 'publicity shy'.
Exactly - but they don't make cars. Be interesting to see if they are still profitable once they are making cars!Quote:
Originally Posted by Red90
At the moment I doubt very much whether Jim Ratcliffe is interested in selling the company - or whether Landrover (or Tata) could afford it if he were.
Well I hope it is a huge success and sticks it up JLR. If the reports and price are good I’d seriously consider the twin cab.