Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by one_iota

Both are good for towing horse floats (but the new Defender is better).]

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Depends what you mean by "better".

GVM upgrades for the Grenadier,would certainly make it "better" than a Defender in some situations,particularly staying legal pulling the big weights whether it be the large horse floats or whatever.

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Originally Posted by one_iota

The reality in Australia is that most of the population can drive just about everywhere they need to get to on bitumen or well-maintained unsealed roads in a Hilux. Neither a Defender nor a Grenadier is required to get places normally. Even a 76 is overkill, even for a farmer. A Grenadier like the classic Defender is now seen as a fashion statement driven by celebrity YouTube chefs and others for whom appearance is more important than application. Both are good for towing horse floats (but the new Defender is better).

https://youtu.be/_QpJAO_Ksao'si=IdJhcfRtWyTxVLtj

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L663 is way more an urban poser vehicle than a Grenadier will ever be, lost count of how many black Defenders i see on the roads that will never see a dirt road in their life.
Most people have no idea what an Grenadier is let alone heard of Ineos, its really only enthusiasts that know what they are.

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

L663 is way more an urban poser vehicle than a Grenadier will ever be, lost count of how many black Defenders i see on the roads that will never see a dirt road in their life.
Most people have no idea what an Grenadier is let alone heard of Ineos, its really only enthusiasts that know what they are.

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One of my brothers has a mate with a Defender.Huge wheels,super low profile tyres,he had the rims imported from the UK.I don't know the size but it will never go off the bláck top that is for sure.
Black vehicle,black wheels,in my opinion it looks horrid,but that is just me.

Back to the Granadier,i have noticed a few people think they are Land Rovers....[bigsmile1]

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Originally Posted by scarry

One of my brothers has a mate with a Defender.Huge wheels,super low profile tyres,he had the rims imported from the UK.I don't know the size but it will never go off the bláck top that is for sure.
Black vehicle,black wheels,in my opinion it looks horrid,but that is just me.

Back to the Granadier,i have noticed a few people think they are Land Rovers....[bigsmile1]

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The benefit that the Grenadier has over the new Defender is that it looks like you can take on a dirt road. One Yankie back packer said of my classic Defender "that truck sure looks gnarly". You don't have to do anything else to a Grenadier to make it look "gnarly" whereas I've had to bolt things onto my new Defender to make it look like it could be taken off the black top. After all perception is nine tenths of reality even if it isn't.

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The Ineos is perceived as a heavy duty 4wd not medium duty one unlike most popular double cabs.

I was keen on getting a Grenadier, then the reality hit home….
no service centres other than dealers, total lack of spares, no service manual as promised, leaks everywhere, crap drive shaft angle so lifts can’t be done if you want to keep it relatively reliable, heating and cooling system that’s crap and constantly gives issues and the list goes on.
2 hours on the Grenadier forum or facebook page would be enough to turn off most potential buyers
I am waiting to see how they go over the next few years and will probably land on a Ranger Superduty next year

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

Ranger Superduty next year

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I saw one the other day,on the motorway,it had Super Duty pressed into the taigate.
Huge wheels,looked very high as well.Covered in dirt and mud,second spare on the roof of the cab.

Catogan(for those that can put up with him) does a good vid on them and some interesting info on towing and weights.

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Originally Posted by scarry

I saw one the other day,on the motorway,it had Super Duty pressed into the taigate.
Huge wheels,looked very high as well.Covered in dirt and mud,second spare on the roof of the cab.

Catogan(for those that can put up with him) does a good vid on them and some interesting info on towing and weights.

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I have seen his video on them, his points on towing and weight apply the exact same to every vehicle so once that is taken into account the superduty Ranger is still leaps and bounds ahead of the other offerings.
the Ranger Superduty which isn’t on the roads yet, you would have seen the F250 Superduty not the Ranger, the Ranger version is on sale mid 2026

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Originally Posted by discomatt69

I was keen on getting a Grenadier, then the reality hit home….
no service centres other than dealers, total lack of spares, no service manual as promised, leaks everywhere, crap drive shaft angle so lifts can’t be done if you want to keep it relatively reliable, heating and cooling system that’s crap and constantly gives issues and the list goes on.
2 hours on the Grenadier forum or facebook page would be enough to turn off most potential buyers
I am waiting to see how they go over the next few years and will probably land on a Ranger Superduty next year

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Yep, understand that... one of three Ineos Grenadier global parts warehouses is in Melbourne, the animated on line workshop manual is about to be rolled out to owners worldwide (having seen examples I now understand why it can't be readily published in pdf format.
https://youtu.be/z1vr9qRRjpY'si=VpwdVlYwsjnxsu86

The "manual" takes account of the VIN and lists part names and numbers. There's reports of multi week delays on specific parts for all manner of Toyotas, Land Rover products as well as Fords and Mazdas... that's partly because they're often using common parts suppliers whose supply chains in turn can be problematic.
I can't complain about mine. My former RRP38 took me several years to get it reliable enough to do Cape York with no breakdown. .
Currently, Australian Grenadier owners are "doing" the CSR, there's a large group shortly heading to Cape York, one couple are traversing the Pan American Highway..
like Toyota's, Fords etc for every vehicle experiencing issues, hundreds more are performing faultlessly...

That's a good manual, so you might not even need a real mechanic to work on it, unlike a Land Rover.