Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

“At first Ford formed a theory to account for this human behaviour. If human beings don't keep exercising their lips, he thought, their mouths seize up. After a few months' consideration and observation he abandoned this theory in favour of a new one. If they don't keep on excercising their lips, he thought, their brains start working.”

"I'd far rather be happy than right any day..."

And are you?

Which lends itself to the phrase;

“Is ignorance really bliss? And if it is, is it worth it?”

Of course ignorance is bliss... Right up until you realise you were ignorant!!

That's when it goes bad.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Which lends itself to the phrase;

“Is ignorance really bliss? And if it is, is it worth it?”

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All good Tombie I've had my say and you obviously weren't built with an 'off' button, I will do what I do with all the other bad drivers out there and ignore you.

Enjoy the forum and all the time you seemingly have on your hands to make white noise... I guess the local pub got sick of you and this was the next best thing.

Cheers [emoji482]

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Originally Posted by Mules

All good Tombie I've had my say and you obviously weren't built with an 'off' button, I will do what I do with all the other bad drivers out there and ignore you.

Enjoy the forum and all the time you seemingly have on your hands to make white noise... I guess the local pub got sick of you and this was the next best thing.

Cheers [emoji482]

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Hahahahaha. Bad driver? Local pub?

It’s all good. Think what you wish.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Sorry but that’s not correct. Ediff can be fully locked to fully open.

Those with front lockers know how poorly steering behaves so rarely use them unless absolutely necessary.

What they cannot do either, is preload the rear diff on straight line take off etc assisting normal daily driving.

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The e-diff requires slip so the computer knows to engage it. if the computer thinks there is no slip between the two wheels, it assumes both rear wheels have traction so it wont wind up the clutch pack. Same for the centre diff clutch pack.

Yep, maybe for your use that is the case. For me, watching a vehicle equipped with terrain response (no ediff) lose momentum over difficult sections where diff locks walk through, there is a world of difference. Even the hill descent program will have moments of launch down hills where a wheel loses traction, while braking control is maintained in a diff locked equipped vehicle.

Front diff locks have some turning issues but not as much as the internet would have you believe. Its something you become accustom to.

Again, probably a good reminder to accept other people experience rather than writing them off. 4wding in a range of conditions and vehicles across the country is my day job.

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The e-diff requires slip so the computer knows to engage it. if the computer thinks there is no slip between the two wheels, it assumes both rear wheels have traction so it wont wind up the clutch pack. Same for the centre diff clutch pack.

Yep, maybe for your use that is the case. For me, watching a vehicle equipped with terrain response (no ediff) lose momentum over difficult sections where diff locks walk through, there is a world of difference. Even the hill descent program will have moments of launch down hills where a wheel loses traction, while braking control is maintained in a diff locked equipped vehicle.

Front diff locks have some turning issues but not as much as the internet would have you believe. Its something you become accustom to.

Again, probably a good reminder to accept other people experience rather than writing them off. 4wding in a range of conditions and vehicles across the country is my day job.

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No it doesn’t. It depends completely on the TR program selected. Some allow some slip, others lock it.
It also locks up for straight line take offs on sealed surfaces to prevent wheel spin.

And having had locked vehicles - on a scrambling climb front end steering becomes extremely difficult at times.

Sounds like you also have a fun job that gets you out and about - fortunately so do I. And it involves scrambling some pretty fun stuff! Not a lot of mud surfaces though, so the lockers are always fighting the grip of each rock.

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Originally Posted by Arch

The e-diff requires slip so the computer knows to engage it. if the computer thinks there is no slip between the two wheels, it assumes both rear wheels have traction so it wont wind up the clutch pack. Same for the centre diff clutch pack.

Yep, maybe for your use that is the case. For me, watching a vehicle equipped with terrain response (no ediff) lose momentum over difficult sections where diff locks walk through, there is a world of difference. Even the hill descent program will have moments of launch down hills where a wheel loses traction, while braking control is maintained in a diff locked equipped vehicle.

Front diff locks have some turning issues but not as much as the internet would have you believe. Its something you become accustom to.

Again, probably a good reminder to accept other people experience rather than writing them off. 4wding in a range of conditions and vehicles across the country is my day job.

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Both systems work guess ( I have no experience of e diffs) But keeping the wheels on the ground is the main thing. If you have a crossaxle situation and all 4 wheels are on the ground then its going to be better than 2 wheels up in the air even if they are locked. Beam axle is better at this. Unfortunately there's not a lot of footage of the Grenadiers having great axle articulation. Looking at the front suspension its all short arms and round bushed which doesnt give me a lot of confidence that they will flex hugely. Hers a photo of my defender flexing , ironically at the launch of the new defender at our local Land Rover dealer. The Sunshine Coast Land Rover Owners club was invited back in 2018- or 9 was it?Attachment 178566