Another Malaysian plane down ...

Note that a Russian made Buk ground to air missile fired by either side bringing down MH17 seems highly improbable. For a start, would have been close to or over the altitude it can reach. Then , in broad daylight there would have been eyewitness reports of one flying along and /or the smoke trail they leave behind. There were none. Also, it seems that damage to MH17 that appeared to have been done by a missile seems to have been from smaller shrapnel fragments than used in Buks. Remember that photos of the panels from both sides of the cockpit, each with indented holes from bullets which have gone through them from both directions have been circulated. These would obviously have been censored had MH17 come down in an area controlled by the Kiev US puppet government. I think later versions spread by western media appeared to have been photoshopped to make these holes look more like they were caused by shrapnel.
Undoubtedly there has been pressure on the Dutch Air Safety Board to produce a report -due for release soon blaming the so called "rebels" defending themselves and /or the Russians despite lots of evidence indicating otherwise. The Russians are reserving further comments of their own until after it is released. Will most likely be able to quickly debunk false accusations against themselves and discredit those making them. An appropriate follow on from the Russians destroying half the military capability of Islamic State in Syria in a week. The fact that the US and it allies did little to weaken it exposes the scam of their secret support of IS to facilitate their own military objectives in the Middle East.

The truth will come out.


MH17 crash: Ukraine releases alleged intercepts - BBC News

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Originally Posted by mox

Note that a Russian made Buk ground to air missile fired by either side bringing down MH17 seems highly improbable. For a start, would have been close to or over the altitude it can reach. Then , in broad daylight there would have been eyewitness reports of one flying along and /or the smoke trail they leave behind. There were none.

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your argument is mute, where there is claim by the Duch government and a belief in European governments that a BUK was the missile. there is also the Russian federation stating the same. so how do you dismiss that???
the only difference between the European governments views and the Russian federation views is from where the BUK was fired from, inside the rebels area of control or inside the Ukrainian governments area of control

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Originally Posted by mox

Also, it seems that damage to MH17 that appeared to have been done by a missile seems to have been from smaller shrapnel fragments than used in Buks. Remember that photos of the panels from both sides of the cockpit, each with indented holes from bullets which have gone through them from both directions have been circulated. These would obviously have been censored had MH17 come down in an area controlled by the Kiev US puppet government. I think later versions spread by western media appeared to have been photoshopped to make these holes look more like they were caused by shrapnel.


Undoubtedly there has been pressure on the Dutch Air Safety Board to produce a report -due for release soon blaming the so called "rebels" defending themselves and /or the Russians despite lots of evidence indicating otherwise. The Russians are reserving further comments of their own until after it is released. Will most likely be able to quickly debunk false accusations against themselves and discredit those making them. An appropriate follow on from the Russians destroying half the military capability of Islamic State in Syria in a week. The fact that the US and it allies did little to weaken it exposes the scam of their secret support of IS to facilitate their own military objectives in the Middle East.

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you know that in china, there bolgers are paid 50 cents and hour. and you only get at best 1200 roubles a month

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Originally Posted by 85 county

Bollocks, it was a rail gun, and he was caught on utube

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rubbish, they didnt have rail guns in his day, at best it might have been a MLA

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Originally Posted by mox

Note that a Russian made Buk ground to air missile fired by either side bringing down MH17 seems highly improbable. For a start, would have been close to or over the altitude it can reach.

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MH17 altitude ~33,000 ft.

BUK Missile altitude ~60 - 80,000 ft, depending on the variant

Why would HM17's altitude be difficult to reach?

MH17 victims could have been conscious as plane plunged after missile hit - World - NZ Herald News

The verdict. [ note, radar images showed no other aircraft near MH17]


The terrifying final moments of flight MH17 | The New Daily


The unanswered question....


The biggest MH17 question still unanswered | The New Daily

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

rubbish, they didnt have rail guns in his day, at best it might have been a MLA

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Bollocks, 88 MPH duh :D

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Note that a Russian made Buk ground to air missile fired by either side bringing down MH17 seems highly improbable..

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the Russian federation concerns that MH17 was shot down by a missile, but holds reservations of the type of missile.

the Buk system has come under upgrades over the 40 approx years it has been about. all of these upgrades have been about rada, target aqustion and systems management or integration.

regardless of any disagreement over what model missile was used the shrapnel is distinctive and the type used by the BUK system. this pattern or style of shrapnel is not used by any other country.

The russian federation has claimed that MH17 was shot down by an older BUK system like the system sold to the Ukraine.

since Russia is not really in the habit of telling out and out lies ( hard to exsplane) this has no meaning on who fired the missile. Russia with new weapon developments have historicity held there old systems in place. so Russia will have regiments using the older systems as well as regiments using the newer system.

so Russia's statement of MH17 being shot down by an older system shows no light on who may have fired it.

I am surprised no one here has pointed the finger at mick marsh and his illicit convoy of 101's with all original Accessories ie rapiers that were doing a transit to Oz. I have a friend who has a son, in the AFP who went to the crash site, and found many mysterious oil stains. :o :wasntme:

Some of the above is true