Thread: D4 v LC200

Originally Posted by big guy

My boss just got stuck on the Yorke Peninsula here in SA with 4 other guys and their 2 months old Cruiser was flat bedded back to SA.
A fuse seems to have disabled the whole vehicle and guess what. They are some kind of square fandangle bit that no one has spares of or even ever knew would give trouble.

The local RAA representative as they all are a bit simple I guess did not have a clue where to look 1st.

I am getting my New vehicle in a week or so(Navara) and just a look under the hood of that and no wonder. My reliable if simple 300 tdi is a fix on the side of the road, the rest of all new cars even the new Defenders, are all eletronic engineering marvels. A wonder they run for a s long as they do.

And how about in ten years when all those electrics are getting hot and cold a million times.
We all thought the P38's are/were hard to maintain. New D3/4's and cruisers are way more complicated than that.

Let alone some guys bitch about the extra 300ccm or extra turbo or what not.

Its just all getting to complicated i think.

Bring on the 4bd1's and cockroaches as they are the only things that will live forever I feel.

I can't comment on the P38, but I can on the D2, which by the way is 11yrs old, the most reliable part of the D2 is the electrics, yes it has gremlens, but they have never stopped the car, so I don't see the electrics as a big problem.

Baz.

Originally Posted by Redback

I can't comment on the P38, but I can on the D2, which by the way is 11yrs old, the most reliable part of the D2 is the electrics, yes it has gremlens, but they have never stopped the car, so I don't see the electrics as a big problem.

Baz.

x2

cheers,
Terry

Its so refreshing to see a thread which has people who have seriously used their D2's off road and have moved to the new shape and who are finding the tyres on the new shape to be a problem. I mean, seriously, it does not matter how good the traction control systems are TYRES are such an important part of the off road equation both for compliance grip around rocks and such when climbing, flotation when aired down for sand, and in puncture resistance, and rim protection. Im sorry LR but you have lost the plot. You make a truck that could be such a great tourer and off roader and you stuff it right up with 19 inch tyres - it just insane. BUT people will still buy them. For me I love the look of the LR over the 200 series Yota BUT as with TempestV8, and Grumdriva, I would be looking VERY hard at a 200 over a D4 if I ever gave up my D2 (...hard to see but eventually I guess - its just such a good truck and I use it off road - its also fun to drive - FUN...).

I suspect that to keep an LR in the garage I will have to either wait for the new Defender (which DOES sound promising) or keep my D2 irrespective of what new vehicle I got....the more that I think about the D4 the more that I cant see it being a goer. I might go for a late model D3 and put 17's on it. The 2.7 sure looks like a better reliability and out of warranty proposition at the moment at least than the 3.0 (I assume that LR will, as per normal, develop their product - the 3.0 - on those who buy them and in a few years they will then be sorted - they will then be up high on a foundation of frustrated and out of pocket owners).

Cheers

I read a very glowing article on the D4 3.0 as a towing vehicle on 4WD Overlander, Nov 2010 edition.

That was the main reason why I bought the LC200 - as a tow vehicle.

Good to hear that the D4 is getting a big thumbs up by 4x4 journalists.

Originally Posted by TerryO

I take it you don't have the 3.0 litre diesel then?

It is such a shame that so many are having major issues with their turbo's. On the other hand the 2.7 TDV6 seems to just keep on going and going.

Gota luv the TDV6 ... ...Well I love mine anyway.

Really the point is that both brands make very good vehicles and I'd be happy to own either a D4 or a 200 series.

cheers,
Terry

It does suck that they are having any problems at all but I looked at the thread a while ago and there were 2, maybe 3 cars having a turbo replaced.....on this thread anyway. Obviously there will be more elsewhere.

Not good but not a lot at this stage and at least there is a fix...

Nice if they could sort it out though....before you buy it!

I thought that this set-up is just a new version of an existing system. I thought a turbo was removed from an existing system to fit to the D3 originally (2.7L)? Didn't Jag and Peugeot use the twin turbo version in a few vehicles....so why are they now having issues I wonder?

Originally Posted by Redback

I can't comment on the P38, but I can on the D2, which by the way is 11yrs old, the most reliable part of the D2 is the electrics, yes it has gremlens, but they have never stopped the car, so I don't see the electrics as a big problem.

Baz.

I agree with you there but they are nothing compared to a P38 or D3/4 or even more so a Current Rangie etc.

My D1 has never let me down either, come to think of it none of my 9 Landies ever did its just getting very complicated in all new vehicles.

Hope your Disco keeps serving you well and no-one jinxed it now.

Just curious for comparison purposes - what is the around-town (city driving) fuel consumption of a 3.0 TDV6? I know that the 2.7 TDV6 D4 is around 10 litres per 100 kms in town driving.

My (stock standard) LC200 is around 13 litres per 100 kms if 6th gear is not used (which it is rarely used due to the way the gearbox is programmed). I do know that the economy is slightly better with a chip, but just comparing unmodified vehicles.

Other LC200 owners have reported better fuel consumption, possibly due to the engine being more "run in" - mine has only done 20,000 odd kms so far.

I average 600-650kms per a tank, thats 70% city driving.

Dorko