Thread: Club Permit Scheme - Profit no Profit

Club permits are exactly that - for use on club events. Exceptions are to and from repairers.

Weddings and TV media events are not normally club events so the vehicle cannot be used.

Garry

The short answer is "the government is screwing you over" - as usual.

From discussions I have had with Qld. Transport officers over the years about the Specal Interest scheme, I can assure you that the Department regards it as a PIA, un-necessary, and something extra to administer. They would be well pleased to be quit of it. Their attitude is that many people have vehicles that see little use and pay their full registration so why should an exception be made because a vehcle is 30+ years old, or is a "street rod".

So think yourself lucky you have the existing scheme.

There is discussion in Vic that the rules for these cars will be changed. Instead of being restricted to "club events" they will be restricted to "distance within a period of time". I'm not sure of how many km or the time period but it will be recorded in a log book you fill out before the start of the journey and compleated at the end of the journey.
With these rule changes you may be able to hire out your beloved.
I'll try to find out more.

I guess it's a matter of cost.

A hire car registration is weight taxed and costs over $1,000.00 per year with the green slip (third party compulsory) insurance.

Historic registration in NSW is not weight taxed and costs about $25.00 per year including green slip. It is also a great priviledge that we have access to it.

No one is preventing you from fully registering your vehicle to use as a car for hire and therefore paying what every other commercial vehicle on the road is paying for.

Historic/Special Interest/Club permit is exactly that and should never be considered cheap rego to be used and abused.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

There is discussion in Vic that the rules for these cars will be changed. Instead of being restricted to "club events" they will be restricted to "distance within a period of time".<snip>.

Mick

I'm not sure that limiting distance on an historic vehicle registration will serve the same purpose as the current schemes. Why should a vehicle that is 30 year old and only driven to do the saturday morning shopping and go the grandparents on birthdays be treated any different to a 2010 model used for the same purpose.

The more people complain that they can't use their historic vehicle to take a load of rubbish to the tip etc, the more likely that Governments will take notice and remove this great benefit to us.

Please don't abuse the system and cruel it for the rest of us!

BTW: The use on private property does have some restrictions. If the environment is a public right-of-way marked on a map or it is private property like a car park, it is treated the same as a public road and is termed a road related area. Vehicles used on road related areas must have registration or a permit.

BTW 2: Historic registration (and AFAIK Special Interest/Club Plates/) are only considered Registered if used in compliance with their Club's rules. Any other use, the vehicle is considered unregistered, so don't get caught out by this trap.

Diana, I can just imagine the speed and the fury with which hire car operators would contact their member and the minister if SI reg. vehicles were allowed to compete with them with a substantial cost advantage. Correctly, the government restricts private and commercial use of SI vehicles. The concession is to enable them to be used occasionally for club events and restricted use for repairs and road tests.

One fellow club member contacted me about being pulled over by a QT inspector mid-week driving his historic plate vehicle. He confidently told the officer that he was driving it to the spare parts shop to buy parts to use on the vehicle which he considered to be useage in the course of repair. Wrong, said the inspector. That is private usage. You can drive to the spare parts shop in any normally registered vehicle, so take it home now. I told him the inspector is correct, and you are damn lucky he didn't give you a bluey for driving an unregistered vehicle and told you to have it towed home. If he was a nark he could have done this.

Given the high proportion of narks in QT employ, he was indeed lucky.

I don't know if this is the same in other states, but in Qld. we have a clique who are pushing their own barrow in an attempt to have QT accept their dream of having one SI number plate issued to a person and that person could drive any of a declared list of complying SI vehicles said to be owned by them using that plate. QT not at all impressed by having something else to administer and also creating a system wide open to abuse. One senior QT officer I speak to regularly says that if they have ten roadworthy classic cars then they can afford to register them or sell a few until they can.

Absolutely Brian

It is of some great concern that we have HCRS vehicles in our Club and I have not heard from some of them from one year till the next rego is due. It is something our Club is about to audit, and if we find out that a member is running the cheap rego line we'll be obliged to do what other clubs do and notify the RTA that the member is using the vehicle outside the Club's rules.

That would be very sad.

I have heard by way of the HCRS grapevine that one Club was audited by the RTA to check members were doing the correct thing after a member was caught using an HCRS truck to collect bush rock. Another where an HCRS trailer was booked outside one of the northern suburbs tips. They had to get another trailer to unload the rubbish to take into the tip and then carry the now unregistered trailer back home.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Mick

I'm not sure that limiting distance on an historic vehicle registration will serve the same purpose as the current schemes. Why should a vehicle that is 30 year old and only driven to do the saturday morning shopping and go the grandparents on birthdays be treated any different to a 2010 model used for the same purpose.

The more people complain that they can't use their historic vehicle to take a load of rubbish to the tip etc, the more likely that Governments will take notice and remove this great benefit to us.

Please don't abuse the system and cruel it for the rest of us!

BTW: The use on private property does have some restrictions. If the environment is a public right-of-way marked on a map or it is private property like a car park, it is treated the same as a public road and is termed a road related area. Vehicles used on road related areas must have registration or a permit.

BTW 2: Historic registration (and AFAIK Special Interest/Club Plates/) are only considered Registered if used in compliance with their Club's rules. Any other use, the vehicle is considered unregistered, so don't get caught out by this trap.

Sorry, I was not clear.
It's not my discussion. It's Vicroads' discussion. They sent a paper of proposed changes to motoring clubs within Victoria and called for comment from the motoring clubs and individuals. That was earlier this year.