Reply With QuoteAs Wales is part of the union - I wonder why they didn't include the Welsh Flag on the Union Flag - well I guess it does not work to well.
Swaggie
SubscriberAlso that flag has changed over the years as well, to suit the new era, flags change, it's part of the changes in the country as it grows.Originally Posted by KarlB
I agree, the Union Jack is part of our history but lets get that history correct. The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom, not the flag of England. The Union Jack (probably more correct to call it the Union Flag) is a composite of three flags: Scotland's St Andrew's Cross; England's St George's Cross; and Ireland's St Patrick's Cross.
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If a new is chosen, the past and history is not forgotten, it will still remain in the state flags, Hawaii is a prime example.
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LordRover
SupporterAs Wales is part of the union - I wonder why they didn't include the Welsh Flag on the Union Flag - well I guess it does not work to well.
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Some info about the choosing of the flag and its origins
Flag History - The Australian Flag - History
Australian Flag; it's origins & history
The second link has some interesting stuff.
I like our flag the only problem is the kiwis copied it
I personally have no problem with the Union Flag several other countries and even 1 or 2 US states also have no problems showing where they came from I am not ashamed of my families british (scottish) bacgroud I wont mention the german side
Wizard
To add to this discussion, when Lieutenant James Cook arrived, the flag he raised on 29 April 1770 at Kurnell, was neither the Union Jack (as we know it today), nor England's St Georg'e Cross. It was what is commonly known as the Queen Anne Jack (correctly called the Second Union Flag of England and Scotland) which is a composite of the crosses of Scotland and England. It looks like this:
Just as an aside, while James Cook was the master of the Endevour, his naval rank at the time was Lieutenant. He didn't become a Captain until 1775.
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LordRover
SupporterAs Karl said he was a Lieutenant, but in fact a Lieutenant in Command - which later became the rank of Lieutenant Commander.Just as an aside, while James Cook was the master of the Endevour, his naval rank at the time was Lieutenant. He didn't become a Captain until 1775.
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Garry, they're Welsh, no one includes them in anything...... They're like the grotty stinky kid at school who sits in the corner picking his nose and eating flies...
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lol. that is a great way of putting itGarry, they're Welsh, no one includes them in anything...... They're like the grotty stinky kid at school who sits in the corner picking his nose and eating flies...
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Fossicker
The Kingdom of Wales was annexed by England under Edward 1st in the 13th Century and hence unfortunately for the Welsh they are not represented on the Union Flag. The first Union flag represented the merger of the kingdoms of Scotland and England under James the first so both flags were combined. The cross of St Andrew was added later when Ireland joined the United Kingdom.
Wizard
Just to continue this history theme, the Welsh flag is not part of the Union Jack because Wales is a principality not a kingdom. Principalities are ruled by a prince while kingdoms are ruled by a king. Technically, the ruler of Wales is HRH Prince Charles, the current Prince of Wales.
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Master
I am very interested in the history of our country and flag. But who cares where it came from, why are we scared of our history and where we came from. The flag is now part of our history and does NOT need to have on it every social change in the country, books document detailed changes not flags. IF we get a new territory I would be happy for another point. But changes because the country is now more left, right, middle, richer more caring, none of these things matter to a flag, it is part of the history of the country and I dont see why we should run away from that.
In fact perhaps the union jack was representitive of the UK when we first used it, but now its not, it now represents Australia to Australians. The same symbols on the flag change their meaning to the current generation of Australians. Even if we become a republic we can still keep out flag the same, as it would then represent the current state of affairs.
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