Thread: I agree with Stoner

I don't know a thing about Moto GP and I am not at all interested. Having said that, if track marshals are giving different levels of help to different riders then there is definitely something wrong with the entire setup.

Stoner is no where near the rider rossi is now and never will be if i remember a few years back when stacey won the ducati actually had a bigger engine then all of the over bikes! When stacey has won 9 world championships beat every record there is to beat then he can say what he said on sunday but untill then which will be never i think he should just lighten up and crack a smile the miserable ****

The Honda is the best bike on the track at the moment but stacey can only win racers when he is out front which is BORING! as soon as there is anyone one behind him pressuring him he cracks and falls off!

Originally Posted by adam big lad disco

Stoner is no where near the rider rossi is now and never will be if i remember a few years back when stacey won the ducati actually had a bigger engine then all of the over bikes! When stacey has won 9 world championships beat every record there is to beat then he can say what he said on sunday but untill then which will be never i think he should just lighten up and crack a smile the miserable ****

The Honda is the best bike on the track at the moment but stacey can only win racers when he is out front which is BORING! as soon as there is anyone one behind him pressuring him he cracks and falls off!

Lol, Rossi fanboi much?

The whole episode highlights how stupid Stoner really is. His statement to Rossi that "his ambition outweighed his ability" is the most uneducated insult I've heard in years. It is the equivalent of a one-hit wonder boxer telling Ali that he's nothing special or a first division player telling Pele that he's not that good at football.

Whether people like it or not, Rossi is the Pele or Ali equivalent in MotoGP and that is something that Stoner will never be. It was an ill-advised insult that shows a complete lack of respect from a one-hit wonder who managed to get his solitary championship on a superior bike.

Originally Posted by 640Newton

It was an ill-advised insult that shows a complete lack of respect from a one-hit wonder who managed to get his solitary championship on a superior bike.

Which is still one more championship than anyone here....

Originally Posted by adam big lad disco

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i remember a few years back when stacey won the ducati actually had a bigger engine then all of the over bikes!
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Your one-eyed enthusiasm for Rossi seems to have clouded your memory.

Unless of course, Stoner managed to ignore the rule change that had taken place before the 2007 series.

This source seems to suggest that he rode a legal bike in 2007. In other words, he had the same size engine as his opponents.

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For 2007, MotoGP rules were changed to cap motors to a maximum displacement of 800 cc. In response, Ducati built the GP7. Its specifications were: 800 cc bike, double L-Twin motor (4 Cylinder Twin Pulse), approximately 168 kW (225 hp) at 19000 rpm and a greater than 330 km/h top speed (Confirmed 337.2 km/h (209.6 mph))
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Further testing of the GP7 in Motegi, Japan, revealed that the 800 cc machine could run faster laps than the higher-displacement 990 cc bikes, and held nearly a second advantage over the next fastest 800 cc bike, a Honda ridden by Dani Pedrosa.

MotoGP's 800 cc era officially began with the first race of the 2007 MotoGP season, at the Losail International Circuit in Qatar. Casey Stoner won the race on the new GP7.
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Stoner and his Bridgestone-shod Ducati proved to be the top combination in MotoGP and he won the world championship at Motegi, Japan, on September 23, 2007, four races before the end of the season.

Originally Posted by 640Newton

The whole episode highlights how stupid Stoner really is. His statement to Rossi that "his ambition outweighed his ability" is the most uneducated insult I've heard in years. It is the equivalent of a one-hit wonder boxer telling Ali that he's nothing special or a first division player telling Pele that he's not that good at football.

No it is not!
Stoner was not commenting on his career performance.
He was commenting on a single incident.
Rossi tried an overtaking move and was not able to bring it off successfully.
That looks to me as if on that occasion his ambition outweighed his ability.
Even Ali and Pele probably made uncharacteristic mistakes during their lifetime.


Whether people like it or not, Rossi is the Pele or Ali equivalent in MotoGP and that is something that Stoner will never be. It was an ill-advised insult that shows a complete lack of respect from a one-hit wonder who managed to get his solitary championship on a superior bike.

Some people here seem very keen to condemn Stoner and make generalised comments about his talent, yet they want to deny Stoner the right to point out to Rossi that he had tried something that he wasn't good enough to complete.

I suggest that Stoner may be reasonably qualified to judge Rossi's execution of that overtaking move. Very few of us have the same level of qualifications to judge Stoner's talent.

whoops sorry i thought that rule came in for the 2008 moto gp sorry.

I agree Stacey moaner is a very fast rider and a very talented rider but he is no wher near the class of Rossi!

He just needs to stop crying about everything and just race! If he had his way moto gp would be very boring race to watch it's people like rossi lorenzo speeds that make it fun to watch!

Thanks Adam