Thread: Discovery II - A Let Down

Originally Posted by superquag

NOT meant to be personally offensive to anyone, simply my observations as an 'outsider' to the hallowed halls of Land Rover.

No one should have to feel like they have to add this little disclaimer to there posts. Yet AULRO often does that to people.

welcome to the "Down to a price" engineering society that replaced the "Up to a standard" one....

If it was me, I'd leave the Land Rover at home and just ride the horse to the show.

You still get a leather seat and you don't have to worry about the windscreen.

You will still have to keep topping up the water, but probably not as much.

I guess looking at it a bit sideways now with some more replys, puts a different slant on matters.

One persons idea of maintenance is not neccessarily anothers.
My idea is that the car has to be running 100%, everything working and ready to do a trip in.

Another persons idea is to fix only when broken--well that does not always work as others things can get affected.

However if you come from a car that you hardly ever spend a dime on and go to a car that is when new very expensive and maintence high, than I guess spending $1500 per annum is a lot but for people used to spending that its what we factor in for running costs at the very least.

Plenty of horror stories on all sorts of makes of cars and I am sure probably more for a Landy but thats just part of the deal.

All I can say, is what you spend is not actually that much and you may have had a chance to claim it as a tax deduction etc.

My mates Patrol (3L diesel) 2007 model just burned a hole in No 3 cyclinder. Car was 3 months out of warranty and done 50k km's. Took 4 months for Nissan to come to the party, initial quote was SIT DOWN $15,000.00 just for repair, no talk of exchange motor and was not issued a warranty period other than it should be like new.

$5k in legal fees and they(Nissan) are paying for everything as its a well documented problem, he had to pay for the oil would you believe it!

This was supposed to last him for another 10 years he was hoping but No, it was just not up to it.

Cars are mechanical wonders of the modern era, they wear, brake and pollute, much like humans.
Ever noticed how seem people get sick all the time, some seldom, some never.
Its not racial(make or model) but its just how it is. Fix or get better and get on with it I say.

Hope it all goes well from here on I say.

Originally Posted by subasurf

No one should have to feel like they have to add this little disclaimer to there posts. Yet AULRO often does that to people.

are you going to add anything relevant to this thread??

or just continue to put **** on other members???

Ah the LR gods must have blessed me.......brand spankin new D3......sold off at 100,000 kms.....one suspension fault...cleared by a puter and no probs. Bought 03 TD5 with 89,000 kms........3 yrs later just ticked over 184,000 kms......a dream. Couple of wear and tear replacements but other than servicing costs ( nope have no idea on mechanical stuff ) has been pretty much problem free..........and it gets hammered when off road.

Maybe your's is arking up because it isn't being used properly.....like this





Sorry...I did have to replace a passenger screen.....but that was at my hand's



Treat her mean, keep it cost free ,

Regards

Stevo

P.S. X2 what Pedro said ( cripes agreeance on 2 things in less than 6 mths )

This thread has kind of gone off track, especially in the case of a couple being deliberately argumentative. If you don't like the thread, the forum, or the members then leave.

To the op. It's a shame to hear that you've had issues with your car and you're not completely satisfied with it.
Especially when you've taken the effort to get it regularly serviced. I guess the disappointment comes when you've entrusted a mechanic to work on your car as per the recommended schedule and then extra big bill items appear regardless.

Well, unfortunately the car is getting old, the k's are getting high and this all adds up to failure and repair of some components. It's just unfortunate that yours have all happened in a relatively short space of time.
Despite this, I don't think your repair bills are too expensive considering the time you've had the car and the amount of k's you've travelled.
Any 4x4 which is correctly maintained should have at least $2k a year put aside for repairs. As was previously mentioned, a 4x4 is not going to be as cheap or as low maintainence as a regular passenger car.

All in all, I'd say your mind is probably made up as to what you're going to do with the car, regardless of what we all say. All I know is this; if you do sell it, whoever buys it is going to get a well sorted disco and can expect minimal repair bills in the years to come.

Best of luck!

I'll try and add value to this post whilst attempting to keep my comments in the 'centre', neither offending nor defending the marque.

The Jap cars of the 70's and 80's were an aberation. It was the japs who pioneered the art of reliability in the 60's and 70's for commercial gain. Adapted from the US Military. Remember KanBan, Kaizan, Just in Time, TQM etc? All pioneered by Toyota and Suzuki to sell cars. The cars they pumped out therefore, were outstanding compared to the rest of the world.
In the 80's and 90's the rest of the world caught up and some good cars were made. I owned european cars in the 90's coz they were generally ok. Remember the Alfas and early BMW, not to mention early Jags.

The big step down in the late 90's and 00's was corporatisation. Shareholders insisting on return...oh and the failed MBA experiment. Corners were cut, engineering programs cheapened and component margins reduced.
Again to the Japs. Lexus. Lexus is how the Japs would like to build every car, but they'd never survive. Lexus is where the reliabiltiy and quality of the 60's, 70's, & 80's Jap would have ended up but for the events of the previous paragraph. Thats is to say, the Crown of the 80's is the Lexus of today, not the corolla of today.

So, how did LR suffer? England was unique. Neither socialist like the manaufacturing powerhouses of Europe nor free market like the US nor having flexible labour institutions like the Japs. Result: they were not able to match the advances happening elswhere. They still had good ideas, many of which were incorporated in our brand, but really could never match the Japs for reliability and manufacturing advances, nor the rest of the world to put it together well.

BTW, largely, all cars are built the same today with the same reliability risks. The difference is, 'upper placed' brands add extra to the little bits that count. Extra metal thickness here, higher tolerance diodes there, thicker paint, better glue, less skimping etc.

Cheers

Ralph