Thread: Banned the wearing of hoodies

Hey Matt have you been to the soapbox lately I dont think there is anything on landrovers in there so far this thread has not crossed the boundry and been banished into the box

But your right most laws are not applied appropriately or often enough but thats another thread for the soap box

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Section 116 of the Australian
Constitution explicitly provides that the Commonwealth shall not legislate to
establish any religion, impose any religious observance or prohibit the free exercise
of any religion. Also no religious test can be required to qualify for government
office. In the ACT, two pieces of legislation protect this right. The ACT Discrimination
Act 1991 makes it unlawful to treat someone unfavourably in public life because of a
range of protected attributes, including their religious belief. It includes
discriminating against someone because of an absence of religious belief also. Public
life includes a range of
activities, including the provision of goods or services, such as medical centres, and
how people are treated in workplaces and educational institutions. In practice, this
means someone cannot be refused service at a nightclub because of the colour of
their skin, or refused a job because of their gender, or not being served at a shop
because of their religious dress. Any individual or organisation seeking to impose a
''ban'' on wearing the burka in public would be committing unlawful discrimination.

Source: http://acthra.anu.edu.au/media/2009/...ar%20burka.pdf

Not sure if you're aware of it or not, but that article you're quoting from was written by a journalist.

Of note is the obvious omission of one critical sentence:

Section 116 does not preclude the states of Australia from making such laws.

You can look at that article in a variety of ways I suppose, but if that one measly little sentence was included in its proper place within the respective clauses/tenets(?), then it would verily defeat the entire thrust of the argument.

That is, unless I'm mistaken?

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

Hey Matt have you been to the soapbox lately I dont think there is anything on landrovers in there so far this thread has not crossed the boundry and been banished into the box

But your right most laws are not applied appropriately or often enough but thats another thread for the soap box

...I've got an idea for one

Originally Posted by navigation2000

Not sure if you're aware of it or not, but that article you're quoting from was written by a journalist.

Dr Helen Watchirs is the ACT Human Rights and Discrimination Commissioner
The ACT Human Rights Commission was established to promote the human rights and welfare of people living in the Australian Capital Territory and to deal with complaints about services relevant to the Commission's jurisdictions. The Commission is an independent statutory agency established by the Human Rights Commission Act 2005.

A ban on concealing identity by wearing hoodies seems to have worked in the UK back in 2005.

'Hoody' ban reduces crime - Times Online

Crime at a London shopping centre has been halved since a ban on youths wearing hooded tops was introduced.
Visitor numbers are up 20 per cent since the Elephant and Castle Shopping Centre in South London introduced a “zero tolerance” policy on the clothing favoured by young thugs.

The figures mirror a 20 per cent rise in visitors enjoyed by the giant Bluewater shopping complex in Kent after it introduced its own ban on “hoodies”. The ban was imposed at Elephant and Castle in May in response to problems with loitering gangs and rampant petty crime, especially shoplifting.

Mike Knell, the shopping centre manager, said: “Since the ban was introduced, crime, including shoplifting, is 50 per cent down and we have also seen a 20 per cent increase in visitor numbers. The results are absolutely excellent and everyone, including the shopkeepers, are delighted.

“We have CCTV throughout the shopping centre and the ban on hoods makes the cameras much more effective in identifying any troublemakers.”

In spite of the fact that some people seem to want to get their knickers in a knot by interpreting the proposal as a complete ban on the wearing of hoodies, it seems pretty obvious that the object of the exercise is just to make it easier to identify people in locations where security is a valid issue. I have lost count of the number of times that I have seen on the news, CCTV images of people who have been up to no good and it is impossible to identify them because they have their hood up.

Anyone who thinks their right to keep their hood up in places where there is a legitimate security issue is more important than the general good of society is ignoring the fact that no-one has unfettered freedom. There are a multitude of ways in which we sacrifice personal freedom for the good of society as a whole. Most people accept this. I might want the freedom to drive on the right hand side of the road in Australia, but I am prepared to concede that things will probably work better if I conform and keep on the same side as everyone else.

Dropping the hood while inside the shopping centre, bank or similar location and slipping it back up when you get outside is simple enough. I won't be so unkind as to suggest that maybe some of the people who wear hoodies can't work that out for themselves.

And that is exactly what it is about........
Nobody says you cannot wear a hoody, just not on your head when you enter a shop - so the security cameras can identify you if needed.
Instead of everybody getting their knickers in a knot, do as you're asked and abide by the "rules", and all will be well.
Is this a case of damned if you do, and damned if you don't? If I owned a shop I would also not allow any "hooded" person in there, purely for security reasons - my shop my rules, end of story. Don't like it? go shop somewhere else.
With the recent explosion of robberies on the Gold Coast who can blame authorities for passing a rule like that? It's got nothing to do with religion or rights, but common sense.

Hey, I've got an idea ?

Yep,

Right idea there Paul. It just has to be Land Rover Green though!

Just like our blood

Cheers,
Iain