Thread: Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

Brilliant mate! Just wonder if he is a lefty/socialist/activist with a touch of communist ideas
PS, I refering to KarlB attached doc

Marshall,
No my bubble has not been burst.
A tax paid by "the 500 biggest polluters" and reimbursed back to households.
What is the point in that. After speaking to a few of my clients who will at some point be "a big polluter" (paper industry) they will be able to apply for an exemption.

The ALP-Greens proposal is far too soft for what it trying to do.
IMO and indirectly in-line with the current Lib proposal, an ETS or carbon tax does not do a thing except start a cycle of strikes and pushing prices up.

A 50% tax break for ALL business on capital and install expenses on equipment to "green" their processing / industry. will go an awful lot further and create far more employment, long term benefits than an extra tax.

There is no real incentive apart from tax avoidance in the ALP plan. That i have seen.

That was my point in reference.

I do not have all the answers, But I see lots of shams, more and more and more shonky operators just in it for the money, for instance look at the net vs gross feed in tariff. Net makes a difference, gross is a money making endeavour with no real benefit apart from, again increasing price to cover a government un-"incentive" to take up the ideal.

Economists are always saying this is bad, that is bad. Look at it from a business point of view, I have not seen an economist say the ALP carbon tax is good. Only the current Lib proposal is bad, yet business say its got far more incentive to make change and not make them look "other alternatives"

Originally Posted by jeebuz

............. I have not seen an economist say the ALP carbon tax is good. Only the current Lib proposal is bad, yet business say its got far more incentive to make change and not make them look "other alternatives"

Economists back carbon tax package
QUOTE A survey of 145 economists released today found that 60% believe the Gillard government’s carbon tax is good economic policy. END OF QUOTE

And just in case the view of the other idea:
Economists mark down Coalition's climate change policy

Abbott shocked his colleagues when he sneeringly dismissed the quality of Australian economists for their unremarkable view that the most economically efficient way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions was by pricing them with a market mechanism.

But wait, there is more

Nuclear Australia: Carbon tax receives economist’s endorsement

Carbon tax the way forward: economists

Originally Posted by Chucaro

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Abbott shocked his colleagues when he sneeringly dismissed the quality of Australian economists for their unremarkable view that the most economically efficient way to reduce carbon dioxide emissions was by pricing them with a market mechanism.

Isn't the ALP plan to tax at $23/T going up 10% each year and then an ETS.
Ie fixed price for the beginning, then an open market.
where the other side, the err, not so popular side is open market to begin with.

Unless my rather poor English comprehension skills are not as good as what I thought.

As with most things, there are many opinions, and i did not say the Lib version was perfect, just in my research and listening to large business accountants this week, the Lib system would be the preferred version with a little bit more incentive to fund the "upgrades"

Media pays, well for stories or so i am led to believe. So it in not inconceivable that 60% of economists are a waste of o2.
They are, not always correct and if the ALP system was so fantastic, why is there a debate, why not 85%+ of economists say its better. IMO 60% is not that good. The same schooling, the same companies. So IMO it might as well be no new tax, and a point of origin incentive,
Such as hey, coal power plants, want to keep operating, become less polluting, we will match you dollar for dollar for your investment through tax deductions. If you don't do that we will fine you, make the fine a non tax deductible invoice. Or even give incentives for the bulk of polluters, Ie every other freaking business.

How much CO2 does hazelwood and yallourn put out compared to the large number of Grid integrated companies. Look at cool stores, car manufacturing hell even William Adams CAT (for us in vic) Huge roof spaces, no incentive to utilise it.

ETC ETC, again I am not saying the idea is bad, just by no means good.

Originally Posted by gunny

Who would want to be a politician ? You'd think some of them might want to actually try to make things better.

Good one.

Any other jokes?

This is the MOTHER OF ALL RECORDS 3646 views, 236 posts and the thread it is not been moved to the Soapbox

Full credit to the participants and the moderators

Just wonder if it will last here until next Monday

Isn't Abbott's plan to give $10b of taxpayers money to the biggest polluters as a bribe to reduce their pollution, with NO compensation for households who will suffer a cost of $720 each for Abbott's plan?
Whereas the government's plan is to put a price on carbon to encourage businesses to move away from 'dirty' to clean industry, with three-quarters of households being over-compensated for the $420 cost.
So, the supposedly socialist government is using free-market pricing to reduce emissions, whereas the supposedly capitalist Opposition is using big taxpayer subsidies with no compensation.
Its no wonder the public are confused.