trade the lot of you...
there are periods of my job where my paid rate is less than $5/hr
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trade the lot of you...
there are periods of my job where my paid rate is less than $5/hr
Just got home from working from 7:30 last night till 4 am this morning and I would have grossed $720 for the night
Approx $800-1000/day currently, 7 days, but that is a gravy train which will soon dry up, and they are hard daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney2803
Sounds like your a grumpy grade 5 kid that didn't get there own way, you can't rely on casual labour whom you call so randomly, if you need to rely upon them, put them full time, the joys of running people
No I wouldn't trade, I'm not that sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by Blknight.aus
For what it is worth - my views. (And I should point out both my parents were school teachers!)
Some years ago I was responsible for selecting new graduates in my profession for a major company, and regularly visited a number of Australian universities, and generally took a close interest in tertiary education. One of the things I learned during this period was that the course which generally had the lowest entry score was education. Put this together with a study we did where we found that the bit of information giving best correlation with long term performance of employees was not what degree they had, or the results they got in the achievement of the degree, but the entry score they needed to get into the course.
This suggests that those going into teaching will either be dedicated teachers or those who could not get into any other course. The question of course, is how did we get to the situation where teaching is the lowest ranked profession? Certainly not a good way of ensuring that our children are well educated.
In my view it has been a combination of factors that has resulted in this. Historically, education departments were able to get many very capable teachers by providing scholarships to university - these enabled people who could never have afforded to attend university to do so, in exchange for committing to a career of teaching. Free tertiary education put an end to this. Again, historically, teachers got more holidays than other workers - but the extension of longer holidays to the rest of the workforce reduced this advantage.
Militant industrial action by teachers (for example last week) over decades has not only put off many people from even considering teaching as a career, but has pushed many parents to seriously consider private education who would never have done so otherwise. Pushing in the same direction (on both counts) is the lack of discipline or ability to discipline in schools, resulting in a teaching environment that, again, discourages anyone from going into teaching unless they are either a dedicated teacher or can't get any other job. And the first of these groups are not exactly encouraged by long standing union opposition to any way of basing pay on performance.
John
$42:85 an hour, working in town, as a subbie. Come on, that’s dam good money in anyone’s language! I could say what I’m on and what I have to do for it. But after reading this, I’m embarrassed and feeling like a bit of a chump for working so cheap.
Just proves that the old hard working Aussie attitude, fair days work for a fair days pay is dying. Pity because we still have a bit of a reputation overseas as a hard working, hard drinking, can-do attitude Nation.
Not impressed
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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
Fitting and Turning has had some substantial pay increases since I gave it up for a career change.
Cheers, Mick
$42 per hour for a casual with a degree is shameful and that also answers why there is such a low entry point to teaching for uni.
To become a teacher currently you must do uni then in NSW you either go casual for 40 weeks a year an live like an unemployed person or take a full time job either way out west or at a disadvantaged school in certain low income burbs, and you can imagine the kids they get:eek: The career structure is non-existant and there is virtually no chance for any sort of promotion for at least a decade at larger schools. My wife went to uni as a teacher but seeing the setup and job worked elsewhere and within 3 years was a mid level manager on 30% more than her uni teacher friends who went to full time teaching at a western burb of sydney school. SWMBO is now a full time mum .
Another advantage was she did not get chairs thrown at her by 8 year olds:o
One other thing is you can do basically any degree and then do a 1yr dip. Ed. and become a teacher at either primary or high school.
P.s i work shift work with no degree/trade, and i get a fair bit more than a casual teacher.
A friend has an engineering and fabrication works. He pays boilies and machinists almost $40 per hour and they do regular o/t of not less than 10 hours per week. Add to this the rate increases they get when they work at the port or on a minesite where they have to be paid the site rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mick88
what is shameful to me is the opinion that $42 an hour is a shameful pay. i and all of my co workers (retail) would love to be on that money, and are in fact on less than that, as is probably the majority of australian non " Educated " workers, well at least the people i deal with day to day.
(Wage Facts
Average full-time earnings in Australia were $64,641 per annum in 2010. (According to the Bureau of Statistics.
Australia's best-paid workers are miners, whose ordinary earnings average $103,111 a year.
Next come professional, scientific and technical services workers who average $77,761 per annum.
Retail workers average $48,703.
The poorest wages are found in the accommodation and restaurant sector where full-time workers earn $46,306 on average. )
and people wonder why australian businesses are outsourcing jobs overseas more and more each year.
my little whinge about me not getting paid enough is now over :)