They're at it again - Anti-modification laws

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Originally Posted by garrycol

How do larger tyres cause ruts - I have 35" on my vehicle and I do not damage ruts anymore than anyone else.

Garry

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Gary, don't feel ostricised because your 101 came standard with larger diameter tyres. This is about people who run considerably larger than stock tyres on their vehicles.
There are a few places I can think of where the only possible way a rut can have become so deep is if tractors or large tyred 4wds had been through repeatedly, perhaps spinning their tyres on the way through. One particular stagnant firm bottomed puddle caused a 35" tyred 110 to get hung up on both diffs whilst the 35" tyred portal axled 130 with Rover diffs (ie massive clearance) got through with a scrape and some wheelspin. It wasn't water run off or any other natural erosion that caused the tyre ruts to be so deep, it could only be wheeled vehicles. Some massive clearence vehicles must have been through repeatedly. If it had been only 29" tyred vehicles then the ridge between ruts would not have been so high.

Its the mentality of some owners of heavily modified vehicles...that like usual ruin it for everyone.

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Originally Posted by LowRanger

but also believe that there isn't really a place for vehicles with 6" of lift and tyres larger than 35" to be registered on the road.

Wayne

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I dont see any place on the road for monsta trucks as daily drivers---there are a few too many around newcastle/hunter.

but im against banning then from the road.
I work with vehicles that are much worse than these-grader-roller-backhoe-tractor/slasher.

what should happen is they should be allowed but under the same conditions we use these similar vehicles.

speed limited to 48KMh,flashing lights and on roads with more than 100 cars per hour[?] escort vehicles and spotters.these gents can get their friends together and drive any place they want in safety without stuffing the road for us that need a lightly modified vehicle.


we wouldnt want D9 running around on the F3.

mate of mine drove to the top of Queensland then over to thursday island[boat] in the 80's.
they took a p76 and 2 900 cc suzuki.
the leyland was raised 2 inches and used 14in wheels.
the supazooks used those pie cutter bar treads.

they was constantly held up by hiluxes with sand tryres and other japanese 4X4.but sitting around the afternoon fires they heard stories of being held up by a car miles away from where they had been.

YES PLANNING AND PRAYING.

So I have had a look at this and my take from a 4wd point of view is:

149.999999999999 mm is the max lift allowable over std using tyre or suspension lifts and still have the vehicle remain road registrable in some form.
Extended shackles (not standard or an optional fitment) are no longer allowable.
A certificate of conformance (self-assessment) must be supplied for lifts up to 50 mm using increased tyre sizes or suspension modifications.
Lifts over 50 mm or any lift using body raising blocks require engineering approval. These also require verification at a vehicle inspection station prior to registration.
Vehicles lifted over 75 mm may be subject to registration or road use restrictions (but not defined in VSB).
Vehicles whose owners belong to an ACT or NSW affiliated 4wd club, and have successfully completed driver training course may apply for approval for an up to 100 mm lift with justification.

For the average person these do not appear to be that restrictive or onerous, however for the extreme user it does place restrictions on what you can do and compulsory engineering certification requirements. I'm not sure that’s a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by isuzutoo-eh

Its the mentality of some owners of heavily modified vehicles...that like usual ruin it for everyone.

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I do not feel ostracised at all - thanks for the explanation makes sense but I think you have hit the nail on the head with the above - it is not the size of the tyres but the small dick mentality of people who modifiy their vehicles to look good rather than for an actual need.

Garry

Just a few points in the real world.
A local company here in Nowra spreads super on the milk farmers paddocks.
They have a range of trucks of verious sizes.
Some of there smaller vehicles are 75/79 series cruisers fitted with extra large low pressure tyres for floatation in soft paddocks with a full hopper of super.
The vehicles drive on public roads from base to reload and from paddock to paddock.
The New law will affect this and it has been going on for years with no danger to the public.

Ruts in this part of the world start as very small ones and the ruts being the lowest part of the road take the water away and this action errodes the ruts deeper and deeper until it is impassible.
Road design and maintainace is a very big factor.

As has been said, If they win this they will keep going, soon enough we wont even be allowed to own a 4wd and everyone will drive smart cars... what a fun world that will be.

I have a heavily modified 110 and these rules would affect me, it would also probobly effect most of the discovery and rangie drivers on here, 2in over standard tyres puts you at 31, add to that a maximum of 2in lift to make the 75mm total lift, doesnt give you much to work with, even running 265-75-16s on a disco would be an issue. it would soon put an end to the hard core off road vehicles.

I personally dont know why you cant be registered if you modify with in reason(2in spring 2in body lift 35s)and its deemed by an RTA appointed engineer to be safe and road worthy, infact my county drove better on road when i went from 235s to 37s, the braking capacity was slightly deminished but fine for the road(as long as the drum brakes were checked on an almost weekly basis)

Funny thing is most of the comments made so far criticising modified trucks are aimed at would would already be considered illegal, as far as i am aware unless they were engineered before around 2003, most jap trucks on 37s wouldnt be engineerable.

I dont think theres anything wrong with the current laws, 6in total lift max, and 2in over standard on tyres, thats about all you can engineer currently, if you want bigger tyres then that you need some very expensive testing done.

It is my understanding that you can essentially have any modification you like, provided you get an engineer's certificate.

As to 101Ron's issue with the fat tyred spreaders, if they are currently registered as normal road vehicles they are illegal now with out a certificate. I suspect it would be easy enough, given their purpose, to register them as motor implements or what ever the current title is, just like a tractor. Also, in earlier versions of these draft regulations, they had limited application to commercial vehicles.

Cheers
KarlB
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Originally Posted by KarlB

It is my understanding that you can essentially have any modification you like, provided you get an engineer's certificate.

Cheers
KarlB
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Maybe now but if this goes through not in the future.

Garry

WTF...have I walked into www.softcocks.com.au. I'm thankful we have the likes of 4WDA pushing the cause for 4wder's......seriously what a bunching of ****ing cynics. Forget the marque one drives...we all drive 4wd's...we all 4wd and camp etc. I wonder from some of the comments made here as to how many of you are nothing but once a year off road...or mainly dirt road type driving??

I'm in..by far the best club when it comes to peeps and vehicles. I get a major boner when I see the ones with 35's++ tackle some of the terrain that Smokey could only wish to tackle. I would also hate to think that one day that I couldnt have a play toy that could do what I have seen some of mates tackle.

Oh boo hoo monster trucks...who care's...I love the look of a modded 4by with the works.....landy or otherwise. All the crap levelled at 4WDA....**** me...nothing I havent seen on one of our own club trips..........and that is 4WD's out doing what they do best. Sure some of you may think it is for towing etc............some like to really challenge the vehicle and what is possible...thank god for the latter...otherwise what a boring world.

These potential laws suck...........as 4WDers...not landy owners we should slam any such changes. Give em an inch and they will take a mile..............if you don't realise that...your dense. Back your brother's who like to live a little larger than a traverse around a paddock, a dirt track or a sandy beach. I know I do not want to have some pillock prevent me from getting major wood tackling gnarly tracks in a lifted monster landy,

Regards

Stevo........shamed at some of his LR brethern