Thread: Carbon Tax on it's way through the House.

Originally Posted by CraigE

Construction is where the actual big money is, construction of mining infrastructure, I dont see anyone criticising that part of the industry.

Hey! Ease off.
The money I made from working on the design of a mine got me my first 101 and introduced me to this forum.
Now I mention it, that is an interesting story.
Multinational company wins contract to build Australian mine.
Detailed design is sent off shore (cheaper hourly rate, more profit to multinational)
Off shore design house designs to Chilean standards, fails to keep to schedule and runs over budget due to rework.
Final construction documents are unworkable.
Project is moved to Australian design house who amends design to fit for purpose (they had given up on worlds best practice by that stage).
This photo from the mine site illustrates the typical off shore design's shortcomings.

This carbon tax will not be used well.
I'm sure all Victorians will agree when I mention those two words, "Desal Plant".

Can someone please tell me what will happen when the carbon tax scheme finishes in 2015 and the trading scheme starts. The so called big poluters will buy their offsets for about $5 to $7 per tonne, the Govt won't get the tax to offset to small business , the low paid and the unemployed. The "big polluters" won't drop there prices, so who is going to get screwed.
Congratulations Austrlia.
The best idea is to get rid of this mob at the next election, try to get rid of the tax, it wont pass the green controled senate then get rid of the greens at a double disullusion.

To quote Professor Garth Paltridge, chief scientist (retired) CSIRO division of atmospheric research (impeccable credentials I would suggest):

"In this day and age it can be fairly dangerous to ones career if you are a climate scientist and express some vociferous objection to the concept of dangerous global warming."

This statement by Prof. Paltridge sums up the problem with the dangerous global warming conept, the science is one sided thus unreliable and lacking credibility. The proof comes because funding is available only to select evidence supporting the hypothesis.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

When they're taxing us $70 billion over the next 6 years, who needs it to be financially viable.

Spain generates aprox 850MW through Solar Thermal stations (48.4 Mw through Solar Tower and 800MW by solar trough). The USA produces just over 500MW by solar-thermal therefore producing the same wattage as any one of the 4 coal fired turbines at Liddell in NSW.

The USA has another 770MW under construction and Spain 1,330MW under construction.

Australia has a massive 2 MW of Solar Thermal production topping up the coal fired Liddell and none under construction. Yet we have millions of square KM that could be used to produce similar or greater amounts of power.

I don't know if the 2MW you refer to in red above is just for solar thermal (solar hot water) or what but I know that down here in Vic we have just started to close of subscriptions to the Primium Feed In Tariff (PFIT) which was to close when we had 100 MW of photovolataic electricity generation, Therefore with all the other states having had similar systems in place I say we would have a few times more than that throughout Australia.

Originally Posted by slug_burner

I don't know if the 2MW you refer to in red above is just for solar thermal (solar hot water) or what but I know that down here in Vic we have just started to close of subscriptions to the Primium Feed In Tariff (PFIT) which was to close when we had 100 MW of photovolataic electricity generation, Therefore with all the other states having had similar systems in place I say we would have a few times more than that throughout Australia.

The problem that the Power Grid is having with PV-(photovoltaic) and Wind Generation is that a base-load is still needed, and PV and Wind are too unreliable due to their variability. The Grid can only support less than 10% of the load as renewable sourced energy. The main reason Power has gone up so much in recent years is that Distribution companies are having to build so much infrastructure to take on so small a percentage of their available power.

Another problem that will surface in about 6 weeks is that Victoria's major power stations have not been maintained due to uncertainty in the sector.
Maintenance workers have told me that with the Units down now and the ones that are overdue maintenance we will be lucky to have power come Christmas, the system is that close to collapse.
Hold you breath people.

The emissions trading scheme with a fixed price of $23 for the first three years is intended to change consumer behaviour towards more energy-efficient and cleaner alternatives, which should encourage investment in new technologies, which is sadly lacking while coal-fired power is so cheap. We are amongst the highest polluters per head in the entire world because our power comes from dirty coal fired lower stations. Even China generates 20% of its power from renewables, plus its new coal stations are much cleaner than our old ones. We need to do our part.
The revenue will be given back as most households are overcompensated in various ways, including higher pensions and the lifting of the tax free threshold from $6000 to $18,000 for everyone, with more than a million people no longer to pay tax from July 1, 2012. That will put a lot of cash in the pockets of people who are likely to spend it, which will be good for small businesses and stimulate retail sales.
This scheme is a great achievement for the Gillard Government and will cause great progress towards a cleaner future. Gillard has done what Howard and Rudd couldn't do.
Hopefully Tony "Mr No' Abbott, who has no positive ideas at all for the future, will never get his chance to vandalise the emissions trading scheme, the NBN and other advances under this government, which have been so misrepresented and slandered by Abbott and the Murdoch media's 'bring back Kevin' campaign.
Well done Gillard!

It's another nail in the coffin for our exports.
A major boost for imports as they do not have to pay a cent of the tax.
Another shot to the head for local manufacturers and retailers as you can now buy cheaper again O/S.
Innovate my arse, we sit at work and watch as our industry is slashed in 1/2 by stupid management and govt. decisions and look across the port to see boat loads of wind turbines being unloaded direct from china along with 100,000 of cars from everywhere else

My problem with the tax is that there has been so much mud slinging and politicing that I have no idea what the truth is any more.

Perhaps if the Labour Party had been more clear in it explanation of how it would work would have made it better for the average Australian to understand. The thing is as I see it; given how important it is I shouldn't have to go searching labours (or anyones) web site to find out about it surely given the money spent on adertising it some of that money could have gone on simple explanations without all the hype.

i also think that the climate change agenda has reached such a level of snowball effect that it would appear that the truth doesn't matter any more just that we are going to do something about it and that is all there is to it??