Thread: Where can my sons ride their Peewee 50's near Brisbane?

Originally Posted by rovercare

Another one was just up the road from where I lived, all around 5 acres, young dude must of got a bike for his b'day, comes home every day and rode it for upto an hour, then it stops for a week, then starts again for another few weeks but this time quiter

After I was asked whether I made the complaints and the story was made clear, someone thought it could be me as I was a shift worker

Hell no, let the poor kid ride

People shouldn't be so intolerant

Yep, but if they know you are a shift worker they should talk to you about it. Usually a compromise can be found. A bit like mowing lawns, I would schedule mowing lawns around neighbors shift work if possible.
What irks me is people complain about bikes, but house renovations that are noisy from 6am to 7pm are ok. V8 Rovers are ok, crappy loud music is ok. Noisy lawn mowers and power tools ok. All comes back to my point of hypocrisy at its best. Oh and ok for creaming outboards at 5am?
People need to lighten up a bit and reach a compromise.
I am not for a minute condoning irresponsible behavior, but we should be able to enjoy all activities.

Originally Posted by 86mud

Thanks for your replies..

Sorry if I have opened a can of worms and maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

The aim of the exercise is to find a designated place where my young sons can hone their skills on private land away from the public. The prospect of joining a club is possible, but it depends on what the club has to offer and this will be investigated thoroughly.

I'll contact the places that have been suggested on this thread.

Cheers
Andrew

Andrew,
I think what you are doing is great and some of the grumpy selfish buggers need to pull their head in and think back a little to what they did as kids. Too many forget this and are very hypocritical and my needs and hobbies are more important than anyone elses.
What annoys me is when you go camping, have the bikes visible and then some other clown pulls up and camps right alongside you and then complains about bikes and then does something hypocritical like start a gen set or get really drunk and rowdy.
I have made sure my kids have bikes (2 wheel, quads and buggies), gives them a lot of confidence and gets them out and enjoying life.
No matter what the nay sayers post, get out there and have fun with your kids.
Mini bikes especially dont make that much noise. I am glad you want to teach your kids the right way.
Have loads of fun.
Cheers
Craig

Originally Posted by rovercare

Just as selfish as you expecting everyone to sit in silence so as to not bother you, what is the difference?

No not at all. Your attitude is anything anyone else does to annoy you is wrong and they should be persecuted and that is bull****. Fine if you want absolute peace and quiet buy your own little paradise and stick your head in the sand. Dont go to a public place and complain about other people enjoying a legitimate activity.
Yes there needs to be some etiquette involved, but just because you dont like it does not make it wrong. Especially disappointing form an ex rider and that makes it really hypocritical that it was ok for you when you were younger, but no one else.
I would dearly like you to have a shot at me for my registered road legal bike anywhere. I do have the right to ride this anywhere a car can go.
There are plenty of areas bikes are not allowed so plenty of options to camp without being annoyed and if people are riding in these areas you do have a case. Also if people are riding irresponsibly you also have a case.
But you are blatantly wrong if it is people out doing the right thing.
A roaring V8 Disco or Range Rover is ok though, hey.
I generally find loud obnoxious drunken parties are worse and these are not normally the young loud crowds, but the middle aged campers that think their **** does not stink. The worst are the middle aged cacklers full of wine late at night around a campfire. Last camping trip we had just such a group of grey nomads camped about 100m away that just hated kids and thought kids should not be allowed to camp or run around, yet they had all had kids who were off their hands. They were much louder than anyone else, including kids and gen sets and their loud wine filled noise at 1am was annoying, however I let it go. Though I did have great pleasure at making a bit of noise at 7am.
Yes there are irresponsible riders, but that is the same with everything.
I suppose all I am saying is there needs to be a little bit of give or take.
Oh and much worse is the nappy leaving, broken bottle brigade.

Originally Posted by rovercare

Tit for tat, now there's the attitude

You don't get it, if I went to a common camp ground and you were playing bagpipes, that would be fine, it's a public common ground. It's the difference between riding a bike through a campground, music what have you, you go to a public area, you gotta put up with people

But what your saying is akin to hoping on a bike doing donuts next to your camp, that's obviously not the done thing

If you think it should be silent, go somewhere that it is, it's not difficult

Yep, playing bagpipes during the day is fine. At 10pm, 5am or 1 am is not, same for bike riding.
Generally bike riders look for a clear area away from others. If you choose to camp alongside someone with a load of bikes, well.

Good while ago we had a spate of illegal trail bike riding in the bushland at the end of our street. I was thoroughly sick of the rowr, rowr, rowr, pop, pop, pop. Eventually enough people complained loud and hard enough that the council eventually did something. Parents were fined. That stopped it.

A former colleague moved from the 'Gabba to an estate of 5 acre blocks at Park Ridge. After a while he was of the opinion that trail bike riders should be declared outside the protection of law. Reckoned if he wanted non-stop internal combustion engine noise he could have stayed in the 'Gabba. The last straw was two early teenagers who came onto his property and were hooning, sliding and jumping their bikes. With the aid of his wife and son he managed to close all gates and trap the kids. He took them home and lifted their father off his feet and shook him (my colleague is a VERY big man, former competitive heavyweight wrestler), and told him what might happen if he heard a trail bike ever again. After some police involvement (father called coppers and screamed "assault") common sense prevailed. Both were told not to do it again. Worked though.

I'm still struggling to comprehend what a miserable arsehole you would have to be to object to a couple of kids on pee wee 50's.

Personally if I see it at my camp site my only reaction to it is to give the kids a cheer and help build their confidence. Ive just moved to a rural area and when I heard a few bikes fire up on the next property I smiled as I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do.

im on the fence on this one as there is a fine line between kids learning having fun and your leasure times compromised.........

yes i learnt to ride a bike when i was young however it was on private property, have never held a licence for a bike therefore have only ever riden on private property, i have knocked back opportunities on the beach and state forests

when it comes to public camping grounds there are not too many around that you can operate an unregistered vehicle (pee wee's included), if i choode to camp at a public campground than i would not expect any un-registered/un-licenced riders around.....that why we have laws, it the people out there that believe they can ignore rules that really **** me off

i seen quite a few time little mini bikes out of control due to kids 'just' learning in public places which puts the general public at risk, just the other month my boys were introduced to quads....on a private property, there is now way i would let them ride around the general public yet

in saying that, if the parents show consideration and they move the activity away from the public and ride at reasonable times (8am-4pm or there abouts) than i have no problems with kids doing kids stuff.......thats learning to ride, crashing there bikes, breaking bones etc......

Originally Posted by roverfan

I'm still struggling to comprehend what a miserable arsehole you would have to be to object to a couple of kids on pee wee 50's.

Personally if I see it at my camp site my only reaction to it is to give the kids a cheer and help build their confidence. Ive just moved to a rural area and when I heard a few bikes fire up on the next property I smiled as I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do.

There seem to be a couple of reasons why this discussion appears to be moving people further apart rather than having any possibility of leading to some understanding, agreement or compromise.

Just selecting one at random, the post quoted here (like some others) offers a false dichotomy or false dilemma.

http://www.philosophy-index.com/logi...se-dilemma.php
A false dichotomy or false dilemma occurs when an argument presents two options and ignores, either purposefully or out of ignorance, other alternatives.

The statement, "I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do", is a false dichotomy because it suggests that there are only two possible activities for kids: riding bikes and running amok.

Clearly this is not the case as there are plenty of other things that kids might do apart from those two activities.

Suggesting that things are black and white when really they are shades of grey does little to help others accept your point of view. Of course there are bike riders, bagpipe players, revellers and generator owners who deliberately annoy others and there are some that inadvertently annoy others. Just as there are members of those same groups who make the effort to indulge in their chosen activity in a way that minimises the impact on others. Claiming that everyone belongs in either the former or the latter group is unrealistic and unhelpful.

However if people are just using this as an opportunity to abuse those who hold a view different from their own, then don't let me stop you.