Thread: How injured ex-service people are treated

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I think anyone in any job should be treated equally, a soldier shouldn't get any extra benefits Just because they CHOSE to be a soldier. Different story under conscription when you didn't have a choice.

Originally Posted by roverfan

I think anyone in any job should be treated equally, a soldier shouldn't get any extra benefits Just because they CHOSE to be a soldier. Different story under conscription when you didn't have a choice.

Ok bit off the subject.
Don't know If I worded it correctly the question was if the Victorian government was wrong. Not weather all people should be treated the same. My argument was with the Victorian government who choose to there differently TPI differently than other state who do not require overseas service.
Do you believe in the concept or a well train regular defence force?
Are you ex service or do you have someone in your family who is ?
I take it your unhappy about something but that is not really helpful to my question here. Maybe you need to start your own question rather than voting "NO" on mine that does not really fit your cause.
Are you aware that service caused injures have server statute limitation on how mush compensation they are able to recive even if the do not accept what they are offered and take Defence department to court. Have you ever heared of millon doller payput to defence injured people? Because to don't happern. So if you want them all treated the same then maybe you need to chenge that as well and see how the tax dollars go.
More to your issue do you realise that a pensioner couple in Qld only get one car concession and every other state has one person. It only really is applied to married people because unmarried people can change there status to bypass that law. And also if your a married and loving together you pension is lowered unless you are separated for health reasons. Married people are certainly discriminated against in these two areas.

Originally Posted by roverfan

I think anyone in any job should be treated equally, a soldier shouldn't get any extra benefits Just because they CHOSE to be a soldier. Different story under conscription when you didn't have a choice.

I agree with you but we are not treated the same as any body else with a civilian job, so this validates the question. So yes we should be compensated differently.

This info was taken from the "VIETNAM VETERANS
ASSOCIATION OF AUSTRALIA
SUBMISSION TO THE REVIEW COMMITTEE OF THE
VETERANS’ ENTITLEMENT ACT"
17 April 2002

1914 War
Pension Act
After the outbreak of World War 1 the government introduced the War
Pension Act 1914 to cover injury or death to members of the armed service.
As Justice Toose noted in his report Vol 1, 19, “The 1914 War Pension Act
provided war pensions for persons enlisted, or appointed for, or employed on
active service outside Australia or employed on a ship of war, and who
suffered death or incapacity which resulted from employment in connection
with warlike operations”.
1915 and 1916
amendments
By amendment in 1915 it was made clear that compensation was payable for
any disease contracted on service. In 1916 the Act was amended to extend its
provisions to those who were appointed or enlisted for home service.
These provisions supplanted any rights eligible members and their dependants
would have had otherwise under the Defence Act 1903.
Soldiers Repatriation
Act
1920
The Australian Soldiers Repatriation Act (the title of which was shortened in
1950 to the Repatriation Act 1920) was introduced in 1920. It served as the
basis for the payment of pensions and benefits to the ex-service and defence
community for over 60 years.
Dr Evatt’s
description of
the Act
The Attorney General and Minister for External Affairs the Right Hon Dr HV
Evatt KC, MP described the legislation in 1944 in these terms;
“The Australian Soldiers’ Repatriation Act 1920-1943 is not based
upon any well-known type of legislation. Though it may have
something in common with Workers’ Compensation, it is an instrument,
which is largely sui generis. It represents the desire of the Australian
people, through their National Parliament, to ensure that members of
Australia’s gallant fighting forces who have become wounded or sick as
a result of their service shall be properly cared for. That they and their
dependants, and the dependants of deceased members shall be provided
for by a war pension and otherwise assisted in the economic struggle of
life. The bearing of these forces in the fields commands the
administration of the world, and too much cannot be done in the way of
repatriation to recompense them for the sacrifice they made for the
sacred cause of liberty”

I think that we should have a day apart from ANZAC day to recognise the service of all defence personal. I believe there are approx 4 million former defence personal who have not been on active service and who were not conscripts. Maybe then it would bring some stuff into the public eye. I think we have a police service day where they have a march through the city.
I have spoken to heaps of ex service people who look down and say I never went away, as if to say they don't feel there service to the nation was as important. You very seldom get a choice of where you go or what you do. When the Blackhawks went to Cambodia one crew prepared the aircraft and another group met the aircraft when they got there. The command sent who they wanted.

I am a TPI with war service accretion and was an accredited pensions office and welfare office for the local RSL a few years back. I have just read these post and I am not sure if the 4 scotch and drys have effected my ability to interept your writing or not.
The State governments Eg. South Aust, Vic, NSW, Qld can give and take away what ever privileges to a TPI they wish A while back I was staying with a mate from Vietnam in Geelong we were going to a function on the other side of Melbourne in voling other Vietnam vets so we took the train, because I was from Qld I had to pay full fare both ways where NSW except and honor any Qld Cards.
As for non war service TPI or 100% disability to be awarded to an individual of which there are some out there Then the DEPT OF VET AFFAIRS must have considered that the persons injury or health condition is a life long problem that will cause him to have or prevent that person to hold down any type of long term employment regardless of age and so is awarded a TPI, and does not look apound the two different types a any different.

Hodgo

Rudyard Kipling, [ 1865-1936]



I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away".
But it's "Thank you. Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play.
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide.
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "This red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll.
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too, But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
an' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extra rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

different time, different uniform, same arrogant civilian attitude.If you haven't served, you would never understand. Bob