So Mick, you have a 4wd for protection?
How does that work exactly?
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So Mick, you have a 4wd for protection?
How does that work exactly?
Akelly both ovlov and VW have been working towards driverless cars for some time and every time there is a smash with a 4x4 at fault you get a few or the radio morons calling for bans or restrictions like its 1970 and the only 4bies are seriesII or toyotas landcruisers with drum brakes and leaf springs. They forget that 25% of the new sales are classified as four wheel drives to reduce their import tax but includes everything from soft roarers like scuby doo / rav4 to x5 q7 to real low range off roaders.
I think the point is, just as there are gun control nutters who want them all banned, so are there nutters who want 4wd ownership restricted/banned. Both are argued in a similar fashion; they are argued to be dangerous and the community does not "need" them.Quote:
Originally Posted by akelly
You own firearms apparently for sport. How or why is your sport more valid than home protection as a use for firearms? Or do you only mean you are against concealed carry? I am also against the latter, but just wondering what exactly you see as an invalid reason for firearm ownership.
It could easily be argued that a firearm owned for sport is not all that valid... That you should go play darts instead. Not that I agree with that, but I am sure there are antis out there eh do think that.
It is true, we don't need a lot of things that are fun or useful, and we could ban a whole swag of these fun items that have an element of danger, if we wanted to live in a boring regulated vanilla state. But hey we might all live a smidge longer, so it's worth it right?
For any firearm to be practical/useful as a self defence weapon it would need to be loaded and ready to go at all times in an easily accessible spot, ie. somewhere handy around the house so you can grab it quickly when danger arises.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanguard
Is that safe these days ?
IMO no.
If it's stored in safe, ammo separate as we all have to do these days and the bad guys come crashing into your house, do you really think you'll have time to find your keys, unlock the safe, grab the pistol or rifle, put a pull through through the barrel to clear the oil, find the other key, open the other door, grab the ammo, load a clip, load the gun/rifle and use it to save yourself/loved ones ?
I'm not even going to go back to the "what are you are afraid of ?" argument.
It's just plain nuts to have something hanging around that someone can pick up and use.
An old mate of a mate, a copper at the time had a family member visit, pick up a pistol, put it to his head thinking it was unloaded and pull the trigger.
No one wants to go through that :(
BLUF: It's legal to own guns for the purposes of sport - it is not legal to own them for 'protection'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanguard
I've raved on in other threads about the reality of using a firearm for protection, and others have made all the same arguments that I have. The Walter Mitty's of the gun world will not be swayed from their irrational belief that they can blast their way to safety, so I'm not going to waste any more bytes on that argument.
Suffice to say, if your gun is kept in a safe (as the law requires) you are not going to be protecting anyone with it anyway. Unless you think you'll wake up in the night to the sounds of rubbish bins being knocked over, get up, open the safe, fit the bolt, load the rounds, rush outside... then what? Shoot someone armed with a knife? Fire blindly into the dark? Shoot a kid armed with a replica pistol? You'll be sharing a bunk with Bubba in no time...
Cheers,
Adam
I know what you are saying but if they stick you with the knife and kill you who is the loser??
after what has just happen sydney , is that a taste of things to come ? so do we just stand by while they attack us :(
The point being made is that unless you carry the gun fully loaded and cocked 24/7 you won't be able to use it in self defence if someone is coming rapidly at you. And if you do carry a loaded weapon around statistics suggest that the most likely victim of your gun is either you or a close family member. In a dark alley a knife is probably a better weapon than a gun, being silent and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sashadidi
And how is your having a gun going to help? Shoot a couple and hope they don't come back with reinforcements? Having a gun and using it will label you as a prime target for revenge, big time.Quote:
Originally Posted by richard4u2
No way am I going to try and take on the job the police/defence forces are there to do. Even during the London riots a few carefully placed bullets would have sealed your fate. Baying mobs are hard to kill with pop guns.
It never was safe for anyone with a family. Perhaps someone who lives by themselves with no visitors, but even then, not a great idea (or legal). And i take your point; the legislation we have makes firearms pretty useless in most scenarios because of their inaccessibility. However, not all scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick130
You're right. House/apartment in the city, bad guy crashes in, even in a big house, you're not going to have enough time. I always kept a bat under the bed in the city; the gun was a fantastical option in that environment 9in fact I went to great lengths to hide the safe). Though I suggest you've over complicated the process; I can have my bolt rifle on hand and loaded in a little over minute, and a little under a minute for the lever. Still, in the city, you'd get very little warning and a minute is a long time. I imagine you have thought about it from the perspective of your own home, and that's the conclusion you have come to.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick130
However, not everyone lives in the city. I've got a 300m driveway and two big territorial dogs. A car coming up the driveway in the middle of the night is going to cause a ruckus. I've also got a crow's nest view of the entire front section of my property and the road it sits on. By the time someone gets to the house in their car, gets out and gets passed the dogs, it's a lot longer than a minute, and their reaction to the dogs will tell you a lot about their intentions. They also have to climb from where they can leave their car, to the house in plain view. Plenty of time to wait and watch to see what is going on. You don't need to load a magazine, you only need a couple of rounds. In fact I think the sight of a firearm would be a deterrent, or even a warning shot.
The aim is to ward off danger, not go around shooting people. That would have to be a very last resort.
The point is, I don't know where you live and how easy or impractical a firearms would be for home defense, so I cannot really comment on it. Nor do you know where I live and how useful a firearm would be for me for home defense. People tend to model their idea on this topic on their own situation, which is fine, but it's a poor way to dictate blanket advice to everyone.
Personally I think my place gives me a few advantages that would make it a practical choice, and that should be the end of the matter.