i have been on this earth here in australia for 65 years and have never been in a situation where i have needed a firearm where i felt my life was in danger
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i have been on this earth here in australia for 65 years and have never been in a situation where i have needed a firearm where i felt my life was in danger
I can help with that:D want come to work with me Im not police but often carry somtimes concealed somtimes not depends on what the job is. I dont advocate everybody carry a gun infact I have stopped serveral employees from carrying becuase they scared me more than the people we deal with:(
A little projection there WazQuote:
Originally Posted by waz
I never said anything of the sort, I was merely pointing out that people who carry are more likely to be shot or killed than those people who don't carry.
Would also like to point out that the country that has a constitutional right to bear arms, also has the the Worlds worst rate of gun crime and gun related death.
I have seen the effects of gun crime and have been hands-on attempting to save the lives of shooting victims, sometimes but not always successfully. Yet in spite of that I am recently converted to the side of relaxation of gun prohibition laws.
Still I feel the need to remind people that statistics prove a greater proportion of people who carry handguns, will be victim of gun related crime than people who don't carry handguns. This is particularly true where the only handgun was the one carried by the victim.
I've said it before, you can't use US national stats as a basis for an argument because every State/County/City has its own laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Compare the laws of Vermont and Washington DC and compare their stats. Or on a smaller scale - Kennesaw GA (it's a city in the metro-Atlanta area - about 40km from the centre of Atlanta)
My wife is the victim of a violent armed hold-up and it took her years to recover. I have seen the mental side of a stong, independent person being rendered defenseless. She knew who the offender was but he was never charged.
Have you read the independent studies??? They account for a whole lot of factors you have probably never considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by waz
How much statistical training do you have?
p.s. - sorry to hear about your wife, but would having a gun have helped her? How is a failure of the criminal justice system relevant to tghis debate - are you saying vigilante justice should have been used???
I find the arguments of the concealed carry advocates in this thread emotive, blinkered and largely irrelevant
And Waz I've been the victim of violent assaults, had a handgun pointed in my face when working in Kings Cross (health worker) and been the victim of rape.Quote:
Originally Posted by waz
If I had been carrying I may have been dead on at least two of those occasions.
Thanks for the sentiment.:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by isuzurover
Although some years ago, I successfully studied Data Analysis at a tertiary level. What about you?
No, I'm not saying that the situation would have been any different. But the criminal would have known that everyone there was unarmed. That is something of which a criminal in Vermont is never going to be sure, and the stats reflect this.
There is no denying that this is tragic and wrong, but in Australia you were always going to be a victim. All choice has been taken away by those for whom the taxpayer pays for armed security.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Waz
You have a right to your opinion, however while I agree that the firearms regulations in this country are opressive, I don't believe or will ever believe that the carrying of handguns in public will make us any safer. In fact I believe that the mass availability of handguns will make us significantly less safe, because it will be significantly easier for the wrong people to get handguns by whatever means.
Violent crime happens everywhere. Carrying and using handguns only makes violent crime more violet and deadly.
Diana
Slightly reluctant to post this, perhaps should be soapbox, but its happened again. Bob
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Police: 'Several' dead in Minneapolis workplace shooting
Police continue to investigate a shooting in Minneapolis that left "several" dead and four injured. KARE's Jay Olstad reports.
By NBC News staff
Updated at 11:19 p.m. ET: Police say "several" people were killed and at least four others injured Thursday afternoon in a workplace shooting at a sign company in Minneapolis, KARE 11 reported.
Minneapolis Police Deputy Chief Kris Arneson told reporters that the alleged gunman died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Arneson could not confirm how many people were killed in the shooting, the station reported.
The alleged gunman was an employee at Accent Signage Systems Inc. who had been fired earlier in the day, Fox9 reported.
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KARE 11 reported that police were called to the scene with reports of a shooting at around 4 p.m. A neighbor told the station that an employee of the company came to his home seeking refuge. The employee said he watched as his boss and fellow employees were shot, the station said.
Christine Hill, spokeswoman for Hennepin County Medical Center told KARE 11 the hospital is treating four people, three of which are in critical condition. Those in critical condition are all men.
Fox9 quoted an unidentified high-ranking law enforcement source as saying that the gunman returned to the office after being terminated earlier in the day. The source also told Fox9 that the gunman, whose body was found in the basement, may have been targeting specific employees.
After the shooting, dozens of squad cars and police vehicles surrounded the business. Traffic was stopped on a nearby bridge along Penn Avenue, where law enforcement officers had rifles drawn and pointed at a park below. People from the neighborhood milled around but deputies kept them back.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...012/09/134.jpg Amy Forliti / AP
Police investigate a shooting at Accent Signage Systems on the north side of Minneapolis Thursday, Sept. 27, 2012, that left at least two people dead and four others wounded.
Marques Jones, 18 of Minneapolis, said he was outside a building down the street having his picture taken when he and his photographer heard gunfire that sounded close.
"We heard about four to five gunshots," Jones said. "We were shocked at what happened and we just looked at each other. We all just took off running to our vehicles."
Accent Signage Systems' website says it "is a leader in the interior signage industry specializing in custom (Americans With Disabilties Act)-compliant interior signage, and serving major sign manufacturers worldwide