Thread: this would make me very nervous, record gun sales in US

I can help with that want come to work with me Im not police but often carry somtimes concealed somtimes not depends on what the job is. I dont advocate everybody carry a gun infact I have stopped serveral employees from carrying becuase they scared me more than the people we deal with

Originally Posted by waz

Wow. You actually believe what you write?

I want you to have the choice to be in whatever group you want. However, you don't want the same for others. You want to dictate their choice to them.

A little projection there Waz

I never said anything of the sort, I was merely pointing out that people who carry are more likely to be shot or killed than those people who don't carry.

Would also like to point out that the country that has a constitutional right to bear arms, also has the the Worlds worst rate of gun crime and gun related death.

I have seen the effects of gun crime and have been hands-on attempting to save the lives of shooting victims, sometimes but not always successfully. Yet in spite of that I am recently converted to the side of relaxation of gun prohibition laws.

Still I feel the need to remind people that statistics prove a greater proportion of people who carry handguns, will be victim of gun related crime than people who don't carry handguns. This is particularly true where the only handgun was the one carried by the victim.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

A little projection there Waz You started it

I never said anything of the sort, I was merely pointing out that people who carry are more likely to be shot or killed than those people who don't carry.

Would also like to point out that the country that has a constitutional right to bear arms, also has the the Worlds worst rate of gun crime and gun related death.

I have seen the effects of gun crime and have been hands-on attempting to save the lives of shooting victims, sometimes but not always successfully. Yet in spite of that I am recently converted to the side of relaxation of gun prohibition laws.

Still want to remind people that statistics prove a greater proportion of people who carry handguns, will be victim of gun related crime than people who don't carry handguns.

I've said it before, you can't use US national stats as a basis for an argument because every State/County/City has its own laws.

Compare the laws of Vermont and Washington DC and compare their stats. Or on a smaller scale - Kennesaw GA (it's a city in the metro-Atlanta area - about 40km from the centre of Atlanta)

My wife is the victim of a violent armed hold-up and it took her years to recover. I have seen the mental side of a stong, independent person being rendered defenseless. She knew who the offender was but he was never charged.

Originally Posted by waz

I've said it before, you can't use US national stats as a basis for an argument because every State/County/City has its own laws.

Compare the laws of Vermont and Washington DC and compare their stats. Or on a smaller scale - Kennesaw GA (it's a city in the metro-Atlanta area - about 40km from the centre of Atlanta)

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Have you read the independent studies??? They account for a whole lot of factors you have probably never considered.

How much statistical training do you have?

p.s. - sorry to hear about your wife, but would having a gun have helped her? How is a failure of the criminal justice system relevant to tghis debate - are you saying vigilante justice should have been used???

I find the arguments of the concealed carry advocates in this thread emotive, blinkered and largely irrelevant

Originally Posted by waz

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My wife is the victim of a violent armed hold-up and it took her years to recover. I have seen the mental side of a stong, independent person being rendered defenseless. She knew who the offender was but he was never charged.

And Waz I've been the victim of violent assaults, had a handgun pointed in my face when working in Kings Cross (health worker) and been the victim of rape.

If I had been carrying I may have been dead on at least two of those occasions.

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Have you read the independent studies??? They account for a whole lot of factors you have probably never considered.

How much statistical training do you have?

p.s. - sorry to hear about your wife, but would having a gun have helped her? How is a failure of the criminal justice system relevant to tghis debate - are you saying vigilante justice should have been used???

I find the arguments of the concealed carry advocates in this thread emotive, blinkered and largely irrelevant

Thanks for the sentiment.:-)

Although some years ago, I successfully studied Data Analysis at a tertiary level. What about you?

No, I'm not saying that the situation would have been any different. But the criminal would have known that everyone there was unarmed. That is something of which a criminal in Vermont is never going to be sure, and the stats reflect this.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

And Waz I've been the victim of violent assaults, had a handgun pointed in my face when working in Kings Cross (health worker) and been the victim of rape.

If I had been carrying I may have been dead on at least two of those occasions.

There is no denying that this is tragic and wrong, but in Australia you were always going to be a victim. All choice has been taken away by those for whom the taxpayer pays for armed security.

Waz

You have a right to your opinion, however while I agree that the firearms regulations in this country are opressive, I don't believe or will ever believe that the carrying of handguns in public will make us any safer. In fact I believe that the mass availability of handguns will make us significantly less safe, because it will be significantly easier for the wrong people to get handguns by whatever means.

Violent crime happens everywhere. Carrying and using handguns only makes violent crime more violet and deadly.

Diana