The new Chery Evoque

**BMKal** · 21st November 2012, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by DT-P38

China do NOT play fair in the global market and are actually quite dishonest in their business methods for gobbling up and dominating markets.

They look like they are smiling at the rest of the world with the pure joy of being able to provide goods (and services) for us all. But they are really just eyeing off our wealth and moving whatever mountains they need to so they can steal it ALL away from us.

At some point I hope we swing back to our old western allies and build a competitor using Chinese standards against them. Either that or we start demanding they play fair or be blocked from our markets. This crap of us getting into their markets is a ruse on their behalf.

At what point does the rest of the world get leaders who will balance this indecent assault on our past, present and future wealth/strength?

Sorry ................

But I've just gotta crack up laughing when I read this sort of thing.

I'll be in China next week, so I'll see if I can get some photos of the type of vehicles that are running around over there.

I'm going over there with an Australian company that makes crushing and screening plants for the mining industry, and sells millions of dollars of gear into the Chinese market every year. They have been doing it for years, and their business over there is only getting bigger (to the point where I'm finding it more and more difficult to buy gear from them to use in Australia

).

There are many Australian companies who sell into China and conduct a lot of business over there - China is a huge market - the largest in the world - and those prepared to get off their arses instead of whinging about "cheap Chinese cars" are finding and exploiting many opportunities.

So - you can buy cheap Chinese cars in Australia now. Big deal. Nobody's forcing anyone to buy them. So far, they haven't offered a product here that interests me - but who knows - one day they might. I can remember people saying all the same things about Japanese and Korean cars when they first started bringing them into Australia. The problem with the Australian auto industry is and always has been the Australian auto industry - not any imports from China, Japan, Korea or any other country.

And as for the Chinese possibly producing a "cheap" Defender - from a lot of posts that I have been reading on here recently about the new "Puma" - I would have to ask could a Chinese offering be any worse ..........

DiscoMick · 21st November 2012, 09:36 PM

The Chinese are quite hard-nosed about making sure their economy and people benefit from their growth, and what's wrong with that? Plenty of other countries do the same now or did in the past - that's how they built their industries.
The problem with the Aussie car industry is that it builds the wrong cars for most people. Only the Cruze and Camry are internationally competitive - the Commodore and Falcon, while good in themselves, are not internationally competitive.
These are international companies and they are gonna build cars where it best suits the international company, not some national interest. They don't owe we Australians anything. That's why Ford chose to build the Focus in Thailand, not Australia - in fact, its why many of the cars we buy are built in Thailand. The Thais, being more realistic than us, whacked on huge import tariffs to give the companies incentives to set up factories there, and its paid off. We can whinge all we like about unfair competition, but who said the world was a fair place?
We need to be more realistic about how the real world works, instead of just relying on luck.

**Pinelli** · 21st November 2012, 11:02 PM

While it is true that we do have a choice to buy or not buy from China, it is also true that the market isn't quite as free and open as most other countries. China controls the exchange rate of its currency, rather than have it float on the market like others. It has kept the rate artificially low over the past few years, making their exports cheaper to buyers, and imports more expensive for its citizens. Result is an unbalanced inflow of money as it exports to the world, but less going out as its citizens can't afford anything. With a floating exchange rate, the currency would appreciate, making exports less valuable, and imports cheaper too.

**EchiDna** · 22nd November 2012, 12:06 AM

if you think mainland chinese citizens can't afford anything, you obviously haven't been there. Those that have, have plenty in the extreme.

The majority still live now as they have for the past 30+ years... and for most of them, this is ok.

**Pinelli** · 22nd November 2012, 07:53 PM

Okay, I haven't been there, but I do read. Yeah, there is a growing middle class, but I believe there are still huge numbers of peasant farmers in the country for whom very little wealth has made their way.

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