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    Oil Burning Shed Heaters - pumping oil to header tank

    I plan to put a small day tank (probably a 20 litre oil drum) up in the garage roof space to feed waste oil to the heater. However, I need to plan for topping up the tank - so I'm thinking about cheap pumps to transfer to oil from my ground level storage drum (60 litre oil drum).

    I have an electric motor and was thinking of using an old oil pump out of an engine. Has anyone tried this? I can't think of a reason it won't work providing I can prime the pump. If I connect the pump directly to the bottom outlet on the 60 litre drum, it should prime and the pump should provide sufficient pressure to lift the oil, say, 3 mteres.

    What do the rest of you with oil burning shed heaters do?
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    Ron has your account been got to?

    Are you the same Ron that has the thread titled "My propensity for buying faulty goods continues"...

    ... and you want to put an oil tank for a heater where

    Seriously though the only issue I see is the head pressure being to great. But you could easily test it.

    The other thing would be to use a hand pump (probably a bulb type would do). What ever you do put an NVR in the line.
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    ! Can you see why I'm not putting a 60 litre drum up there?

    I've been given a McNaught hand pump so I will give that a try. I hadn't thought of an NRV. A good point, Derek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by p38arover View Post
    ! Can you see why I'm not putting a 60 litre drum up there?

    I've been given a McNaught hand pump so I will give that a try. I hadn't thought of an NRV. A good point, Derek.
    Because 60L will burn the garage down more effectively?

    Oh and that should have read NRV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmdigital View Post
    Because 60L will burn the garage down more effectively?
    More that it would make a bigger mess if it leaks. I thought of putting it outside the garage but it would look pretty awful at the front of the garage where the heater will be. I suppose if I could source a square container, it might look better outside than a 20 litre drum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmdigital View Post
    Because 60L will burn the garage down more effectively?

    Oh and that should have read NRV.
    yep agree, get dry wood if you need oil.
    What about ozone layer?

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    oily mess just waiting to happen

    60 litres is more volume than 20 litres, but it is the height is what you should be thinking about, as the higher the top of the fluid is, the greater the pressure becomes at the outlet at the bottom.

    How do you know when your oil container that is up in the air is nearly full and about to overflow making a mess ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Piddler View Post
    What about ozone layer?
    What about it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklearthur View Post
    60 litres is more volume than 20 litres, but it is the height is what you should be thinking about, as the higher the top of the fluid is, the greater the pressure becomes at the outlet at the bottom.
    Agreed. That's another reason to use a smaller container and mounting it high. I haven't done the maths yet to work out the head pressure when full cf. when near empty and thus the change in pressure. I'm using a needle valve to control oil flow to the burner.

    Quote Originally Posted by wrinklearthur View Post
    How do you know when your oil container that is up in the air is nearly full and about to overflow making a mess ?
    .
    A sightglass up the side of the day tank. I could probably fit a ballcock, possibly out of an old toilet cistern, to shut off the flow (maybe use a cistern as the day tank?). I can't remember how we used to do it at work for our diesel generators (500kvA) - too long ago. We probably had an overflow return line to the underground tanks. Something similar would be the easiest to implement.
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    Hi Ron,
    What Oil heater are you using?
    I made a waste oil heater a few years ago and have never had it work properly. So I have lost interest in trying to get the thing burning.
    I'd be keen to see pics of yours or it's design to maybe copy for mine.

    I like the idea of an old toilet cistern. Sounds workable.

    Ralph

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