Thread: Here we go again USA vs Syria

Originally Posted by Eevo

not really, USA challenged the USSR for 45 years and was a very large chance of retaliation.

Yes but with the USA/USSR situation, there was the overhanging notion of MAD, which probably made people think a bit harder about pushing the button so to speak.

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

Yes but with the USA/USSR situation, there was the overhanging notion of MAD, which probably made people think a bit harder about pushing the button so to speak.

yeah. whats your point.
USA was quite happy to bully a country of equal military force.

Originally Posted by Eevo

yeah. whats your point.
USA was quite happy to bully a country of equal military force.

My point is Gary mentioned realistic chance of retaliation.
Both the Soviet Union and the US knew that if either of them pushed to far it would bring on a nuclear apocalypse basically, as such, while they were both perfectly happy to get the other worked up, they knew that there was only so far you could push.
Have to accept the cold war for what it was, a very fine dance on the edge of a bottomless chasm. For each move, there was a countermove. Up to the dancers to make sure they didn't earn themselves a shove into the chasm.
They both got very good at figuring out how far they could push.
Remove WMDs from the equation and you get a very different story, you take away the "if I fall you're going down with me" type mentality, where there can be a winner and a loser so to speak. There could have been no real "winner" in USSR v USA, unless one side decided to go for a pre-emptive strike of incredible ferocity, in which case you're not fighting, you're committing genocide.

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

My point is Gary mentioned realistic chance of retaliation.
Both the Soviet Union and the US knew that if either of them pushed to far it would bring on a nuclear apocalypse basically, as such, while they were both perfectly happy to get the other worked up, they knew that there was only so far you could push.
Have to accept the cold war for what it was, a very fine dance on the edge of a bottomless chasm. For each move, there was a countermove. Up to the dancers to make sure they didn't earn themselves a shove into the chasm.
They both got very good at figuring out how far they could push.
Remove WMDs from the equation and you get a very different story, you take away the "if I fall you're going down with me" type mentality, where there can be a winner and a loser so to speak. There could have been no real "winner" in USSR v USA, unless one side decided to go for a pre-emptive strike of incredible ferocity, in which case you're not fighting, you're committing genocide.

so its not bullying when its dancing?

Originally Posted by Eevo

so its not bullying when its dancing?

Bullying implies it's one dominating or over-ruling the other completely. USA pushes USSR, USSR pushes USA.
As opposed to USA pushes Syria, Syria falls over.

Originally Posted by Eevo

not really, USA challenged the USSR for 45 years and was a very large chance of retaliation.

Never attacked them directly.

Originally Posted by garrycol

Never attacked them directly.

Not also that never attacked China after the massacre at the square and still not sure what to do with North Korea
Is a school bully who pick on the small countries like Cuba...then again finished with a black eye

Looks like that USA, France, other big countries and the arm dealers will have problems with this news

Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack

Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.
“From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,”