Thread: Proposal to cut wages on Labor Day long weekend!

IMO penalty rates etc, should only be payed to those who are already doing a 38hr+ week in said job.

im sure that will open a can of worms

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

This debate has been raging under many different state and federal governments. It's not a new argument.
Might I suggest, if you want this debate to continue to rage here, remember, keep politics out of it.

Note that Chucaro do not have nothing to do here other ways Phil will have something to say about it

Originally Posted by Hall

It`s not just public holiday rates that will go. It is all penalty rates. No shift loading and no over time of any sort. So there will be no incentive to work any longer than enough to get by on. So the only way company's will be able to get workers to work longer hours is to drive wages down. Which is another part of the Howard/ Abbot industrial reform plan. Achieved by abolishing award wages and introducing individual bargaining of your wage and conditions of work as in tea, coffee, clothing hours of work etc You will have to haggle for ever condition that you now have as a right through the awards.
Cheers Hall

I don't agree, the whole point of liberals is for people to work hard and earn money and make better lives for themselves. So they want people to work long for more money.



I don't understand why in this country and to my knowledge the only one I have heard off . That pays you more when you are on holiday and away from work than when you are at work.

In my mind that is mad.

Originally Posted by Hall

It`s not just public holiday rates that will go. It is all penalty rates. No shift loading and no over time of any sort. So there will be no incentive to work any longer than enough to get by on. So the only way company's will be able to get workers to work longer hours is to drive wages down.

The two biggest things that drive wages down are increased costs (such as penalties) and decreased productivity. Do you think that shift loading, overtime, sick leave, maternity leave, stress leave, family responsibility leave and so on is just free money? All this B/S that results in some workers being paid extra to do the same work, or others still receiving pay for not actually working, simply reduces base wages. The other thing these factors drive down is the number of employers willing to put on more employees.

Of course feel free to keep contributing to the unions to ensure your employee provided tea and biscuits are kept well stocked.

Originally Posted by Reads90

I don't understand why in this country and to my knowledge the only one I have heard off . That pays you more when you are on holiday and away from work than when you are at work.

In my mind that is mad.

You are looking at it wrong. Look at it from the perspective of a salary package. You are paid $1,000,000 per year. It is divided up over the year in such a way that the proportion per hour is greater whilst you are on leave.
I am paid in such a way that I don't receive payment whilst I'm on holiday. I've already received the holiday pay throughout the year.
More money in my pocket. I generally don't take holidays.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

You are looking at it wrong. Look at it from the perspective of a salary package. You are paid $1,000,000 per year. It is divided up over the year in such a way that the proportion per hour is greater whilst you are on leave.

What! Don't get that.

I don't get leave loading

I get my yearly wage which is worked on 5 days a week 8 hours a day with 4 weeks holiday so I get the same wage the week I work as the week I am on holiday.

What I am saying is why should employer pay an extra 17.5% to you when you not there.

Originally Posted by Firefish

What's the difference between "giving up" a Public Holiday and "giving up" any other day of your life to go to work?
Don't like penalty rates. Never have. Never will. Have worked jobs with seven day rosters and no penalty rates. No-one cared what day of the week it was. Everyone got paid the same amount for doing the same work; the way it should be.
Now I have staff that fight for the weekend shifts just to get paid double for the same work. And managers on 5-day rosters who want to swap weekdays for weekends. Claim they want to work weekends because they are "more productive", and its not about the penalty rates. I have a bridge I can sell anyone who believes that.

Spoken like a true staffy. Or boss in lamans. I'm contracted to work 40hrs a week and any more than that it's penalty rates and O/T. Or should I sacrifice my way of life for a bowl of rice?. I'm all for local business but pay your staff accordingly.

Regards
Robbo

Originally Posted by Reads90

What! Don't get that.

I don't get leave loading

I get my yearly wage which is worked on 5 days a week 8 hours a day with 4 weeks holiday so I get the same wage the week I work as the week I am on holiday.

What I am saying is why should employer pay an extra 17.5% to you when you not there.

One of the justifications is that it is an allowance to cover the overtime and penalties you would have earned, had you actually have been at work and not on leave. The other explanation I've seen is that the loading is a bonus to help with extra holiday expenses.

Of course I don't necessarily agree with leave loading ... Just sayin'