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    Children and Arson.

    I am just wondering, in this difficult time with fires burning (some out of control) what responsibility should under age children take for lighting fires that cause major damage and disruption.
    I was watching the local news tonight about the appearance in court of three minors who (alleged) lit the Heatherbrae fires that caused death to wildlife (including 30 Koala Bears and counting), closure of Newcastle Airport evacuation of residents, including a retirement village and destruction of businesses and houses.

    I can understand a child getting into mischief and accidently playing with matches and starting a fire but what I saw on the news tonight has made me angry.

    Three juveniles have been arrested over the Heatherbrae fires, one held in custody and the others released in care. One came out of the Children's Court with a towel over his head and continuously gave "the finger" to the camera man.
    Even as the car he was in drove off, he was "giving the finger" through the back window. This kid does not get it at all, there seemed to be no sign of regret.

    What do other people think here, should parents be held accountable for this sort of behaviour.

    POLL: Boys charged over Heatherbrae inferno | The Maitland Mercury

    I see that a 16 year old arrested for arson for lighting a fire in Glenrock National Park and burning out a large area (this happened about 3 weeks ago) has a record of assault, theft and shop lifting. I think young people with this sort of track record should be dealt with more serverley than the kid who makes an honest mistake.

    Opinions anybody?????
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    There exists the notion of Doli Incapax, which states that a child is incapable of committing a crime.
    The reasoning for such is that due to their age, they're unable to form the necessary mens rea or 'guilty mind', the idea of intent.
    So if they're under 10, it's concrete.
    Between 10 and 14 it can be refuted if they knew that the act was seriously wrong.
    14 to 18 I'm just assuming they can be charged as a minor.
    So if they're over 10 and have a history, throw the book at the little bastards I say.
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    The problem we have is there are too many do gooders that come out and give explanations of how the kids came from broken homes, and this and that and blame society.
    It's about time some one is held accountable. If a kid starts off with prior convictions for assault, theft, blah blah blah, they fall into the risk group of becoming career criminals.

    Sending them to gaol puts them in with other no goods where they pick up more skills and a hate for society.

    Don't punish them and they think they can get away with everything, what do you do, they are already a burden on society.

    As for the finger giving the bird just shows that that kid has a big problem that's going to get worse. If he was in hand cuffs he couldn't do it. Pull the towell of the heads and expose them.

    Many peoples lives have been destroyed because of their actions, and the do-gooders need to realise this.


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    bring back capital punishment i say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Muppet View Post
    .......So if they're over 10 and have a history, throw a grenade at the little bastards I say.
    There, I fixed it for you.

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    Give them all a nice helicopter ride...strapped to the outside of the fire bucket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheerluck View Post
    There, I fixed it for you.
    Waste of a grenade
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    terminate,

    can't see an Einstein like that ever returning enough value to society to do any thing else with the little @!#%(@%
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    One answer REV IT BABY REV IT!!!

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    Step one, snap that offending finger right off..........

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    I'm shocked at these responses.
    Don't you realise that it's not these kiddies fault that they're arseholes.
    Just ask the money grabbing defence lawyers.
    The only way to rehabilitate these poor unfortunates is with sending them to the colonies i.e. Christmas Island or our Northern neighbours very effective method of the Rattan across the buttocks.
    Probably end up with the same pain one way or the other!

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