Thread: ABC, Catalyst and cholesterol.

Originally Posted by superquag

Dept of Transport threatened to suspend/cancel my driver's licence

I might be a bit innocent here, but I am wondering how DoT know about your glucose levels?

Cheers,
Terry

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Arthur, the paper I posted was a meta-analysis in 2012 of ALL previous papers, including your 2011 paper above.

Ben, the problem is that in 2012 more studies reveal that fructose can be a problem and some of the papers show problems with fructose .

In November 2012 a new study by USC and University of Oxford researchers indicated that large amounts of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) found in national food supplies across the world may be one explanation for the rising global epidemic of Type 2 diabetes and resulting higher health care costs.
It was published in Global Public Health, countries that use HFCS in their food supply had a 20 percent higher prevalence of diabetes than countries that did not use it. The analysis also revealed that the HFCS association with the “significantly prevalence of diabetes” occurred independent of total sugar intake and obesity levels.
It was a comprehensive research done in 42 countries.

In the way that I see it is that any unbalanced diet can have the bad side effects, in this case is the annual consumption of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) a very common ingredient in many foods and drinks.
This does not have nothing to do to fructose intolerance.

Again, I believe that paying attention to the body and having a balanced diet will reduce many of the health problems that many people suffer.

....Because I was such a naive goody-goody...and informed the Dept. - as required by LAW - of my medical conditions when I got my F endorsement which allows me to drive passengers for 'hire or reward'.

As such, I'm subject to a yearly medical exam, details of which must be forwarded to the Health Fiefdom of said Dept, for THEM to make the final determination as to whether I'm fit to drive, regardless of how confident your Medicos are of your continuing good health...
Previously this was as the discretion of your GP or whatever specialist you're under.
Be warned that most medical practices are computerised, and your private records are anything but. They can be 'requested' by the Dept. AFAIK, the GP cannot refuse access....

Want to see some fun? - just ask your GP what he/she thinks of the current guidlines and paperwork. I've seen a Cardiologist actually frothing at the mouth.....

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Ben, the problem is that in 2012 more studies reveal that fructose can be a problem and some of the papers show problems with fructose .

In November 2012 a new study by USC and University of Oxford researchers indicated that large amounts of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) found in national food supplies across the world may be one explanation for the rising global epidemic of Type 2 diabetes and resulting higher health care costs.
It was published in Global Public Health, countries that use HFCS in their food supply had a 20 percent higher prevalence of diabetes than countries that did not use it. The analysis also revealed that the HFCS association with the “significantly prevalence of diabetes” occurred independent of total sugar intake and obesity levels.
It was a comprehensive research done in 42 countries.

In the way that I see it is that any unbalanced diet can have the bad side effects, in this case is the annual consumption of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) a very common ingredient in many foods and drinks.
This does not have nothing to do to fructose intolerance.

Again, I believe that paying attention to the body and having a balanced diet will reduce many of the health problems that many people suffer.

Ever been to the USA? I've been to the west coast and HFCS is in EVERYTHING.

From Wiki:

Corn production (also maize production) plays a major role in the economy of the United States. The country is one of the worldwide corn leaders with 80,000,000 acres (32,000,000 ha) of land reserved for corn production. Corn growth is dominated by west/north central Iowa and east central Illinois. The US is ranked first in the world in corn production, and 20% of its annual yield is exported

Due to US-imposed tariffs,[5][citation needed] in the United States sugar prices are two to three times higher than in the rest of the world,[6] which makes HFCS significantly cheaper, so that it is the principal sweetener used in processed foods and beverages.

Originally Posted by superquag

....Because I was such a naive goody-goody...and informed the Dept. - as required by LAW - of my medical conditions when I got my F endorsement which allows me to drive passengers for 'hire or reward'.

As such, I'm subject to a yearly medical exam, details of which must be forwarded to the Health Fiefdom of said Dept, for THEM to make the final determination as to whether I'm fit to drive, regardless of how confident your Medicos are of your continuing good health...
Previously this was as the discretion of your GP or whatever specialist you're under.
Be warned that most medical practices are computerised, and your private records are anything but. They can be 'requested' by the Dept. AFAIK, the GP cannot refuse access....

Want to see some fun? - just ask your GP what he/she thinks of the current guidlines and paperwork. I've seen a Cardiologist actually frothing at the mouth.....

Ahh, ok, thanks, you told them.
I was worried there for a minute
But if they know to ask, your "private" info is available to them. (and anyone else they choose to tell, like life insurance companies. But they wouldn't.....would they?). Great.

Cheers,
Terry

Originally Posted by Judo

Ever been to the USA? I've been to the west coast and HFCS is in EVERYTHING.

Of the 42 countries studied, the United States has the highest per-capita consumption of HFCS at a rate of 25 kilograms, or 55 pounds, per year. The second highest is Hungary, with an annual rate of 16 kilograms, or 47 pounds, per capita. Argentina, Belgium , Bulgaria, Canada, Japan, Korea, Mexico and Slovakia are also relatively high HFCS consumers. Egypt, Finland, Germany, Greece, Poland, Portugal and Serbia are among the lowest HFCS consumers. Countries with per-capita consumption of less than 0.5 kilogram per year include Australia, China, Denmark, France, India, Ireland, Italy, Sweden, the United Kingdom and Uruguay.

Eating may be a health hazard, as Mike said, but I reckon anything pre prepared and packaged definitely is.

Terry

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Ben, the problem is that in 2012 more studies reveal that fructose can be a problem and some of the papers show problems with fructose .

In November 2012 a new study by USC and University of Oxford researchers indicated that large amounts of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) found in national food supplies across the world may be one explanation for the rising global epidemic of Type 2 diabetes and resulting higher health care costs.
It was published in Global Public Health, countries that use HFCS in their food supply had a 20 percent higher prevalence of diabetes than countries that did not use it. The analysis also revealed that the HFCS association with the “significantly prevalence of diabetes” occurred independent of total sugar intake and obesity levels.
It was a comprehensive research done in 42 countries.

In the way that I see it is that any unbalanced diet can have the bad side effects, in this case is the annual consumption of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) a very common ingredient in many foods and drinks.
This does not have nothing to do to fructose intolerance.

Again, I believe that paying attention to the body and having a balanced diet will reduce many of the health problems that many people suffer.

Arthur,
If you cannot see that the study you posted is counfounded (and looking at a different problem) then I am wasting my time.

Here is the summary of a 2013 review of the fructose data:

Fructose-Containing Sugars, Blood Pressure, and Cardiometabolic Risk: A Critical Review
Author(s): Ha, V (Ha, Vanessa)[ 1,2 ] ; Jayalath, VH (Jayalath, Viranda H.)[ 1,2 ] ; Cozma, AI (Cozma, Adrian I.)[ 1,2 ] ; Mirrahimi, A (Mirrahimi, Arash)[ 1 ] ; de Souza, RJ (de Souza, Russell J.)[ 1,3 ] ; Sievenpiper, JL (Sievenpiper, John L.)[ 1,4 ]
Source: CURRENT HYPERTENSION REPORTS Volume: 15 Issue: 4 Pages: 281-297 DOI: 10.1007/s11906-013-0364-1 Published: AUG 2013
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Abstract: Excessive fructose intake from high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and sucrose has been implicated as a driving force behind the increasing prevalence of obesity and its downstream cardiometabolic complications including hypertension, gout, dyslidpidemia, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). Most of the evidence to support these relationships draws heavily on ecological studies, animal models, and select human trials of fructose overfeeding. There are a number of biological mechanisms derived from animal models to explain these relationships, including increases in de novo lipogenesis and uric acid-mediated hypertension. Differences between animal and human physiology, along with the supraphysiologic level at which fructose is fed in these models, limit their translation to humans. Although higher level evidence from large prospective cohorts studies has shown significant positive associations comparing the highest with the lowest levels of intake of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs), these associations do not hold true at moderate levels of intake or when modeling total sugars and are subject to collinearity effects from related dietary and lifestyle factors. The highest level of evidence from controlled feeding trials has shown a lack of cardiometabolic harm of fructose and SSBs under energy-matched conditions at moderate levels of intake. It is only when fructose-containing sugars or SSBs are consumed at high doses or supplement diets with excess energy that a consistent signal for harm is seen. The available evidence suggests that confounding by excess energy is an important consideration in assessing the role of fructose-containing sugars and SSBs in the epidemics of hypertension and other cardiometabolic diseases.
Accession Number: WOS:000321861400003
Document Type: Article
Language: English

In short: excess sugar is bad, but fructose [based on the all data currently available] is no worse than other sugars.