ABC, Catalyst and cholesterol.

**elshano** · 8th November 2013, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by superquag

I cut out the carbs. moderate protein and HEAPS of fats. Even Saturated, such as found in meat, cream in coffee and my mushrooms die very happy in their swimming pool of butter.

Yes, I eat lots of green leafy veggies and sardines, sometimes wild salmon and tuna.
No, I don't have ANY grains, or fruit, except tomatoes which are merely an excuse to consume HUGE amounts of natural SALT... and various herbal supplements such as cinnamon, turmeric, peppers cumin.

You're onto it mate!
I have meat, nuts and fresh veg for breakfast. Probably higher protein than you but similar macros. Try to avoid anything processed. Every 3rd-4th day I'll have a high carb day (sweet potato, brown rice, oats) depending on how hard I've been training to avoid ketosis.
In terms of veg, I eat as many different colours as possible but broc, capsicum, mushroom, spinach and carrots are a staple.
We do 2 shops a week, a necessity if you're buying lots of fresh stuff.

If we have a bbq, dinner with friends or whatever, it's game on, nobody wants to be 'that guy' carting around steamed chicken breast, broccoli and brown rice and making everyone else feel bad!

Just hope more people get on board and take control of their diets but changing eating habits is one of the hardest things to do I think. Oh well, means I'll be in work for a long, long time to come

**Chucaro** · 8th November 2013, 07:31 PM

Those that like greens do not forget to add [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kale"]Kale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] which is one of the super food regarding nutrition value and also if salad is in the menu I would recommend sprouts of broccoli, water cress, radish and alfalfa.
Have a look the nutrition value of them and you will find that is a super salad .
Together with fish it will be a super sandwich for lunch at work

**Judo** · 8th November 2013, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by elshano

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We do 2 shops a week, a necessity if you're buying lots of fresh stuff.
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Why is it necessary to shop twice a week? Do you find veggies go off easily in the fridge?

I ask this because that's exactly what I found - veggies go soft and are horrible after just a few days. The problem is fridges are "frost free" which means they take all the moisture out of the air and anything in the fridge like vegetables - which ruins them. We keep fresh veggies in 2 big air tight tupperware containers now and they lasts weeks, no problem.

I never thought I would be saying such things on LR forums, but tupperware is excellent and I recommend everyone has some in their fridge for vegetables.

**superquag** · 8th November 2013, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by elshano

You're onto it mate!
I have meat, nuts and fresh veg for breakfast. Probably higher protein than you but similar macros. Try to avoid anything processed. Every 3rd-4th day I'll have a high carb day (sweet potato, brown rice, oats) depending on how hard I've been training to avoid ketosis.In terms of veg, I eat as many different colours as possible but broc, capsicum, mushroom, spinach and carrots are a staple.

Avoiding ketones or ketoacidosis ?

Why ???

Quick reference here:-
http://www.cardiofiles.net/gary-taub...sis-76326.html

and here:-
http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/is-ketosis-dangerous

**PhilipA** · 8th November 2013, 08:25 PM

Well I calculated my score and it is 4% even with cholesterol of 6 and Hdl of 4.
I am darned if I know if I have left chamber myopathy or whatever . Nobody has ever mentioned it.
Can I sue them if I die?
Regards Philip A

**bob10** · 8th November 2013, 08:43 PM

Do you people actually listen to yourselves? It sounds like Eventide at lunch time. for goodness sake, lighten up. we are all going to die sometime, get over it. Bob

Monty Python - always look on the bright side of life (with lyrics) - YouTube

**AnD3rew** · 8th November 2013, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Petetheprinta

Having had 2 heart attacks

Angioplasty

and a triple bypass

I watched with interest ABC's CATALYST programs on statin medication. As a result I have decided to stop my statin medication which I have been taking for the last 20 years. I won't bore forumites with my reasons for this decision.

I am interested to hear other peoples reaction to the program (only if you watched it of course).
I am also interested in knowing what other members are doing to reduce their cholesterol levels if high cholesterol is a problem for you.
Thanks, Pete.

I think this would probably be a very bad decision. You are probably the kind of high risk individiual who is most likely to Benefit from using statins.

The Catalyst program was far from balanced they raised some interesting points of view and made a few valid points but they DID NOT present the vast body of evidence in proportion and in balance.

Yes probably more people are getting statins than need them, yes they do have side effects, but serious side effects are rare. Basically you need to consider your total risk, if your cholesterol is moderately raised and you have no other serious risk factors you probably shouldn't be taking statins. But if you have multiple risk factors and raised cholesterol you probably should.

The diet part of the program I think was better, I think the evidence is mounting that dietary cholesterol probably makes little difference to serum cholesterol levels. The big nasties are probably trans fats. And yes the most important factor in long term health is probably insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome. This is moderated more by weight, and glycemic index and consumption of carbohydrates is a big part of that.

**elshano** · 8th November 2013, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by superquag

Avoiding ketones or ketoacidosis ?

Why ???

Quick reference here:-
http://www.cardiofiles.net/gary-taub...sis-76326.html

and here:-
Is ketosis dangerous? « The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

Ketosis. Ketosis comes about when glycogen stores are depleted (eg carb intake too low to replenish glycogen). Ketones are far less efficient at fueling exercise than glycogen and the body will also start to metabolise amino acids for energy. Losing muscle mass is obviously not a good thing for optimal health - negative effect on RMR among a lot of other things.
If I'm trying to build muscle mass and reduce body fat I definitely want to stay out of ketosis.

Judo - yes, fresh stuff doesn't keep well for too long but I also eat too much (the fridge gets stuffed full each shop and emptied in a real hurry!). Tupperware is definitely your best friend if you're on the ball with your meal prep!

**elshano** · 8th November 2013, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

Do you people actually listen to yourselves? It sounds like Eventide at lunch time. for goodness sake, lighten up. we are all going to die sometime, get over it. Bob

Monty Python - always look on the bright side of life (with lyrics) - YouTube

Yep, we're all gonna die that's for sure, but I'd rather die looking like a stallion than a blob*

*blob is the polite way of saying what I really wanted to say

No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training…what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. – Socrates

**CapableCate** · 8th November 2013, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Chucaro

On the other hand I agree that fructose being the particular sugar to be avoided.

The impact of fructose on renal function and blood pressure.
Kretowicz M, Johnson RJ, Ishimoto T, Nakagawa T, Manitius J.
Source

Department of Nephrology, Hypertension and Internal Medicine, Collegium Medicum in Bydgoszcz, Nicolaus Copernicus University in Toruń, ul. Skłodowskiej-Curie 9, 85-094 Bydgoszcz, Poland.
Abstract

Fructose is a sugar present in sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, honey, and fruits. Fructose intake has increased markedly in the last two centuries, primarily due to increased intake of added sugars. Increasing evidence suggests that the excessive intake of fructose may induce fatty liver, insulin resistance, dyslipidemia, hypertension, and kidney disease. These studies suggest that excessive intake of fructose might have an etiologic role in the epidemic of obesity, diabetes, and cardiorenal disease.

There are so many medical publications about the effects of taken fructose that we will not have a room in the server to post them.

What this bring is that we have to take research papers "with a grain of salt" and pay more attention to our body.

Thanks Chucaro . . . this is along the lines of what I'd been reading about recently. As I said at end of my last post . . . There is never a 'one size, fits all' with any of the diet/supplement/medication regimes promoted, as we are all individual with various other health conditions, and different body shapes, metabolisms etc. As a general rule, I have tried to manage my conditions with a balanced approach of a little of everything in moderation, 10-15 minute brisk walk a day, and spending quality time with friends & family, helping out when ever I can, and making time to relax & appreciate the beauty and nature of our beautiful country.
We can also do well to take closer notice of our own bodies, and how they react to various foods etc. While research has it's place, undoubtedly, all too often, something that was haled as being the ultimate answer to a condition/s, invariably is replaced by something to refute that later. Comes down to being sensible & moderate

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