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    Quote Originally Posted by 460cixy View Post
    Idiot makeing generalisations
    I've never seen a bogan drinking Heineken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinelli View Post
    I've never seen a bogan drinking Heineken.
    What
    There's gay bogans

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    What I regret is that there are so many well thought out and downright funny slang terms that we can no longer use. It's an Aussie tragedy...

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    It really does surprise me how easily the current generation are offended,as in the mid 20th century most immigrants were refered to as "WOGS" the real meaning of that term is"Western Oriental Gentleman" and a lot of the European post war migrants were quite proud to be called that,it meant to them that they were recognised by the general Australian population.

    I grew up with slightly lame leg,and got called,"Limpy" "Hop-Diddley" and "Chester" but was taught by family that those who called me these names had their own problems which they were hiding.

    All long before this "Political Correctness"

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    At GM-H Pagewood being rostered onto payroll duty, taking the envelopes around the factory, was referred to as "paying the wogs". Almost no Australians worked as assemblers.

    Import car snobs used to say that Australians can't build quality cars. My riposte was that Australians didn't build the cars. The cars were built by Italians, Greeks, Lebanese, Maltese, Yugoslavs, Egyptians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Poms.
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    Being small I've been called a little Pommy bastard , short arse , or any number of names . Now if a mate says It , I know It's just a term and don't take any offense . If someone I don't know says the same , I can take offense , It's in the context It can be said for me to be offended or not !!..

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleHo View Post
    It really does surprise me how easily the current generation are offended,as in the mid 20th century most immigrants were refered to as "WOGS" the real meaning of that term is"Western Oriental Gentleman" and a lot of the European post war migrants were quite proud to be called that,it meant to them that they were recognised by the general Australian population.

    All long before this "Political Correctness"
    maybe the X gen spent their time at Westfields, and the Y gen spent their time on computer games. Instead of spending time with their dads to getting some hand me down history and explanations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies View Post
    No you say to them that you understand that they are feeling hurt, maybe even vilified by the use of the term, but unfortunately it doesn't meet the criteria of racisim (because being a Bogan is not considered a race). However, you will proceed on the complaint on the basis of inter-staff bullying.

    If you accept a complaint that is outside the criteria for discrimination (or racism) you will end up having to deal with complaints based upon the colour of people's clothing or the shortness of their hair or the suburb they live in.

    IMHO call racism: racism and bullying: bullying and deal with them as such.
    It would be nice if complaints would stop all together! One of the hardest ones was telling all the 20yr old girls that got level entry jobs at CBA what to wear, and the fact that a skirt so short that doesn't cover their bum when they sit down is not appropriate.

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    Thanks for all the comments and minor diversions, but how about the new question at hand?

    If it is possible for "in this country..." to be a racist precursor to some feedback (or cultural education/enlightenment), what should be said instead?

    Any ideas/comments appreciated.
    Hoo-Roo,

    Dave.

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    "racism" is an interesting term and idea to me. As others have said in this thread it often seems to be used when it shouldn't.

    I am part aboriginal and proud of that but I do wonder how far we stretch this idea of racism.

    When you follow the idea of racism to its fullest extend.. it is surely just merely preferring ones own race? And I don't think there is anything wrong with this - its just a natural human trait - we associate easier with that we can relate to.

    For example when a plane full of people crashes, if they are Australian or some other race that I feel more connected to, it always seems worse! Of course its not worse and any tragedy of this sort is equally tragic no matter what race is involved. I don't feel guilty about feeling more sad about it though - its just natural that I feel more associated with it. Unfortunately some people might react with a thought like "ah a few less <insert racist term for race here>'s won't do any harm" - and to me that is racist.

    To me racism is only a problem when it starts affecting the way you treat people in a reasonable way - and then we are talking about discrimination. But only to a certain extent. Technically I am discriminating when I ask the aussie bloke at the bus stop for a smoke instead of the non-aussie who is just the same distance away - but I have every right to do this (I like to think I'd ask either person equally anyway and I don't smoke!).

    Being a Collingwood support (don't start!) it was interesting the stuff that happened last year with Adam Goodes. To me there was no doubt that the "ape" mark was a sign of a racist background in the girl - but I wasn't comfortable at all how an underage girl could be made an example in front of so many - and taken by authorities without her parents for questioning for hours. I guess that might be just how it turned out on the spur of the moment - but I don't think it was right. It was good however to highlight the issue of racism though.

    One thing that I was interested in is that it came out during the same match that a Collingwood supporter was filmed and put on social media basically ranting that the umpires were favouring the Sydney players because they were aboriginal and that it was the indigenous round.

    They guy copped a lot of flack from this but one thing that bothered me was that I couldn't actually see how this was racist? Sure he opined that the umpires where not being objective because they were giving lenience to people because of their race and the what the round stood for... but what is wrong with this opinion? Where in this did he actually say anything negative about a race? He didn't surely? I'd value your opinions.

    Sorry for rambling

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