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    forward Air Controllers, R.A.A.F., Vietnam.

    The latest edition of R.S.L. News has an excellent article on the role of R.A.A.F. Air Controllers, Vietnam. First a background heads up


    " Between 1966 and 1971, a total of 36 R.A.A.F. pilots served as FAC's with the US Air Force in Vietnam. The early FAC's flew the Cessna O-1 ' Bird Dog' , a single engine , high wing, tandem seat aircraft, first used by the US Army in 1950. The twin engine Cessna O-2 'upper Skymaster' was introduced as an FAC aircraft in early 1967 to replace the O-1. In 1968, the USAF introduced the twin engine turboprop OV-10 ' Bronco to replace both Cessnas , but the O-2 continued on until the end of the War because it was more suited to two-crew night operations. The OV-10 suffered from internal canopy reflections at night, and the crew could not operate a starlight scope through an open window like in the O-2 . The R.A.A.F. pilots flew in all these aircraft" There are 488 real life stories written by USAF and RAAF pilots who participated in the Vietnam War as forward air controllers, , and included in two books, 'Cleared hot' & 'cleared hot, book two ' which are available for sale at


    www.lulu.com


    A short story to start with, those who were there will get the ' short' bit. I have a great story to follow, but rather long. if MODS consider moving this to the air craft area, please wait until I post that story, not everyone frequents the air craft area, & I think most here would appreciate the story. I'll post that tomorrow. Bob


    ATTITUDE, by Squadron Leader Graham Neil From RSL News, edition 1, 2014.


    " One day in 1970, I was flying my OV-10 on a visual reconnaissance sortie in the Long Than area of 111 Corps when a relatively calm American voice came up on ' Guard, ' a frequency reserved for distress, emergency and rescue calls Unfortunately, though, the frequency was habitually misused so that it often became a common chatter net, as this story shows. The voice said coolly, ' Helicopter approaching Sanford circuit area come up 341 decimal 7. '


    No reply, thirty seconds later in a more agitated voice the caller stated ' OH-6 Alpha flying through Sanford circuit come up 341 decimal 7! '. Still no reply was made. Nor was there any response for at least 30 seconds. In a decidedly angry voice the Sanford Tower controller came up with another call, ' Loach that just flew through Sanford circuit next time you come up to 341 decimal 7, do you hear ? '


    There was a pause for about 5 minutes when another American voice came up on guard. One could tell he was a helicopter pilot by the rotor vibrations affecting his voice. In a thoughtful and laid back voice, he called, ' Heeeeyy Sanford, you know what the trouble is? They just don't care!' There was another 5 second pause before the rot set in and I'll swear every helicopter pilot within 50 miles radius passed comments on why or how they didn't care. Calls like:


    ' I don't care'
    'I don't care either'
    'I don't give a ****'
    'I'm short'
    'I don't give a stuff'
    Where's Sanford anyway? '


    The calls continued for about 2 minutes with more offensive expletives as time wore on. One could picture the frustrated and angry controller having to listen to the ribald and uncooperative comments expressed on guard. Eventually, the calls subsided and the first helicopter voice came up on guard again, and said ' See Sanford, they don't care!'.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    " Guy Fawkes night was early this year", by [Flight Lt.] Arthur Sibthorpe. Vietnam, 1968/1969. From RSL Qld. Edition 01, 2014


    " During my tour as an FAC in Sth Vietnam I flew 254 sorties in the O-1, in support of the US 1st Division at Lai Khe, the 82nd Airborne Division at Tan Son Nhut, the 25th Division at Dau Tieng, and the 9th Division at Dong Tam. Normally, I flew a three hour stint every day. Often there would be little work available and airborne time could be very mundane, but the areas had to be covered by by an FAC at all times because emergencies did occur with little warning. On one occasion I was operating in the Delta area at the start of what promised to be another boring day. Ground activity seemed to be non-existent, so after about an hour, I began badgering the ' head shed ' to see if they could find me some work. Finally the reply was ' Ok, tamale 15, try calling 'Keen Razor ' on Fox Mike frequency. He has moved into your area on a recce patrol and may be able to use you.'


    Thankful for the diversion, I made contact and had a chat with ' Keen Razor', but gained the impression that he was in the same boat as far as lack of work was concerned. . He indicated, though, that his outfit was about to search out a treed area near the Hotmont Canal, and that if I would like to wander over and have a looksee I might be able to help.As 'Keen Razors ' location was some distance from my position it took me a little while to arrive on station given the exotic speed of the O-1. About 20 minutes later I was in the area and could clearly see the outfit on the ground as I circled.


    A few minutes later, all hell broke loose and the tree line erupted in barrage that would have done justice to 4th of July celebrations. Either that or Guy Fawkes day was early this year!. The advance suddenly became a controlled withdrawal as the troops hurriedly sought more secure positions . Luckily for the troops, Charlie had opened up early , so they managed to reach reasonable safety with only a couple of WIA. Almost immediately I had ' Keen Razor' on the air, panting away in a voice considerably higher in decibels than during his previous transmissions ; 'For Christs sake, FAC - huff- get us some air - puff- we have stirred up - huff - a hornets nest- puff. "


    I told him to get back as far as he could, then hit the deck and wait, since help was on the way. Fortunately the wait was very short as the Ops people had been monitoring the transmissions and were able to divert fighters going to a target of lesser priority. Meantime, I requested as much air as possible, as this was obviously a major contact, and was assured that more aircraft were on their way. The fighters were soon on station and we wasted no time in getting to work. Because of the proximity of the canal, and the clearly defined tree line , it was a breeze for the fighters to flatten the target This they did with great gusto- much to the delight of 'Keen Razor ' . The subsequent air strikes were just as successful, but , unfortunately, after the sixth packet of fighters had finished, I had run out of marking rockets.


    I called ' Keen Razor' to tell him I had to go off station , but that another FAC and more air was on the way. Although all was presently quiet down in the treed area and we appeared to have put the fire out, if his troops did move into the target area they would have cover. His parting comment was ' Well, Tamale 15, I don't know who you are, but if we ever meet, your on free booze for the rest of your life'


    The moral this story is that we Australians who went to Vietnam as FAC's did not get much money, but at times were in a position to earn a big drink "


    Thanks to RSL news, edition 01, 2014
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Thanks Bob.
    So many stories of people excelling in their job and never receiving a decent level of recognition. CE Tunnel rats (originally weasels) are another example!
    Cheers, BDave.
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    My cousin was a tunnel rat, mad as a cut snake now, I can understand why, Bob.


    http://www.tunnelrats.com.au/pdfs/ne...ldfast-122.pdf
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    It takes a special type of bloke for that work.
    Just finished 'Bomber' about Tony Bower-Miles and the boys of 3 Tp, 1 FSq.
    Courage and Nerve!
    Cheers, BDave.
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