Thread: Bad round about practices

Originally Posted by Andrew D

I understand what you are saying in the is example and that is the correct application of the road rule.

The example in the video also doesnt show the solid lane markings with the breaks in them fore permissable exit points.

Like I said, the original teaching I got.....

and afterall the topic is about bad roundabout habits....

one particular day, in one almigty hurry the conversation between worried passanger and a certain driver went.

"you have to slow down, you wont make it round the round about at this speed."
"Aint going round it"
"You cant go...."
(quick down change, boot it and give it the left right flick to unload the inside wheels, placing the outside wheels just off the kerb of the island)
"over mind"

"not a rice car like yours, I've got ground clearance, articulation, interia, all wheel drive and torque to work with"

Some places don't need roundabouts to create havoc.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/emb...TxY?autoplay=1

Not saying I know the correct rules, esp in every state, but have always treated multilane roundabouts as a continuous one way road, and indicate accordingly at exits. Soo if in RH lane and you want to exit, you first need to execute a safe lane change. And then turn left into at the desired corner/exit.

This stems from a court case 10? Years ago in Vic where a lass got t boned by someone exiting from the right ( straight ahead). Everyone Police, hand book, insurer said she was wrong. However a higher court agreed with her.

The rules were too complex to be easily understood, hence the flurry of lane marking to force exiting from the left , rather than allow people to do laps in the left lane.

Currently have an L driver in my family in NSW, it's different from how I was taught and my wife and I argued about it until I showed her the rule book.

The current NSW rules are, approaching the roundabout, you indicate left if you are going left. No indication on approach if you are going straight ahead but if practical to do so you indicate left as you exit. If going right you indicate right approaching the roundabout and then indicate left as you leave the roundabout.

Why the **** is the issue of indicating on round-abouts so confusing to everyone. I got taught the very simple rule when I learnt (in Queensland) about 25 years ago...

Approaching the round-about - indicate as if it were a normal intersection (left to go left, right to go right, nothing for straight ahead).

Leaving the round-about - always indicate left.

In Queensland at least, it hasn't changed.

If there are more than four exits from a round-about, then regardless of whether someone thinks the 2nd or 3rd exit is the "straight ahead" one, you still should be indicating left to leave the thing. And some people complain that small round-abouts are too difficult to properly indicate on... do they have arthritis or something? Just flick the ****ing indicator, it's right there beside the steering wheel for convenience.

Originally Posted by AndyG

Not saying I know the correct rules, esp in every state, but have always treated multilane roundabouts as a continuous one way road, and indicate accordingly at exits. Soo if in RH lane and you want to exit, you first need to execute a safe lane change. And then turn left into at the desired corner/exit.

This stems from a court case 10? Years ago in Vic where a lass got t boned by someone exiting from the right ( straight ahead). Everyone Police, hand book, insurer said she was wrong. However a higher court agreed with her.

The rules were too complex to be easily understood, hence the flurry of lane marking to force exiting from the left , rather than allow people to do laps in the left lane.

The primary rule which was probably not observed here was "give way to traffic already on the round-about". This often happens at the Kenmore round-about near me where people in the left lane continue on into the round-about when cars are turning right around the round-about on the inside lane. Occasionally they want to exit into the left lane and end up cutting across where numnuts who didn't give way is. All hell usually breaks loose.

If someone is coming around a round-about on the inside lane, they effectively have right of way over anyone on either lane approaching the round-about. Hence the outcome of that court case. If two cars enter the round-about together on the same road, then the usual lane changing rules apply.

When multi-lane round-abouts were "formalised" here in Queensland they made the lane marking so that the left lane was always the exiting lane and you had to give way to anyone in the right lane if you wanted to continue around the round-about. Sure, I still see some highly ambiguous lane markings, but this is generally the case. So while you can go straight ahead from either lane, you can never go right from the left lane, or left from the right lane. Fine in principle until you get more than four roads and the "straight ahead" exit becomes ambiguous.

I think we are in agreement,

If you were to enter into a one way street (roundabout) from an intersection you would give way to oncoming traffic in that oneway st (roundabout), once in there you would follow the rules for changing lanes either way left or right, and follow the path if dictated by solid lines and arrows, if exiting same at an intersection.

You would not barrel across lanes and turn off the roundabout to your left (always) from the right hand lane unless the lane markings specifically allowed it.

Originally Posted by AnD3rew

Currently have an L driver in my family in NSW, it's different from how I was taught and my wife and I argued about it until I showed her the rule book.

The current NSW rules are, approaching the roundabout, you indicate left if you are going left. No indication on approach if you are going straight ahead but if practical to do so you indicate left as you exit. If going right you indicate right approaching the roundabout and then indicate left as you leave the roundabout.

Originally Posted by solmanic

Why the **** is the issue of indicating on round-abouts so confusing to everyone. I got taught the very simple rule when I learnt (in Queensland) about 25 years ago...

Approaching the round-about - indicate as if it were a normal intersection (left to go left, right to go right, nothing for straight ahead).

Leaving the round-about - always indicate left.

In Queensland at least, it hasn't changed.

If there are more than four exits from a round-about, then regardless of whether someone thinks the 2nd or 3rd exit is the "straight ahead" one, you still should be indicating left to leave the thing. And some people complain that small round-abouts are too difficult to properly indicate on... do they have arthritis or something? Just flick the ****ing indicator, it's right there beside the steering wheel for convenience.

AnD3ew and Solmanic are correct.

Whilst travelling south from Brisbane, I was listening to ABC radio (everyone should) and a policeman was asked to explain the, at that time, "new" roundabout rules. His explanation (and it's not rocket surgery) was as above, with the addition of "as a courtesy" and "where practical" with regards to exiting.

It's always been that way in my experience.