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    I think it really is a case of what suits one doesn't suit another.
    I've done DNA, 2/1, 1/1, and recently 8on 6off

    All have merits and draw backs.

    However a 12hr is easy once you adapt - most people are awake 16-18 hours a day anyway.
    And you theoretically do less shifts.

    I'm currently back to a Day worker role and 5x8hrs is torture! Miss all the stores, can't get away without leave days, and often actually finish 2-4 hours after my shift ends...

    On roster I had accumulated over 1000hrs leave (+long service) because the breaks were long enough for a quality rest...

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    Much to my surprise we reversed a safety initiative this week at work......

    too often I loose out to the safety departments push to go far and beyond what's actually required to do a task

    My next battle is slow down changes to the PTW system so that we don't create a rod for our the companies back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    I think it really is a case of what suits one doesn't suit another.
    I've done DNA, 2/1, 1/1, and recently 8on 6off

    All have merits and draw backs.

    However a 12hr is easy once you adapt - most people are awake 16-18 hours a day anyway.
    And you theoretically do less shifts.

    I'm currently back to a Day worker role and 5x8hrs is torture! Miss all the stores, can't get away without leave days, and often actually finish 2-4 hours after my shift ends...

    On roster I had accumulated over 1000hrs leave (+long service) because the breaks were long enough for a quality rest...


    I agree totally, recently was in a redundancy list from an EBA company in construction, we worked 9 or 10 Hr days, and no weekends, with the RDO roster and banking RDO's to keep working I rarely had to take leave and had plenty of time to myself.


    Now it's 8 hour days no RDO, 8 hours sucks big time, the lack of progress is staggering over a one month period taking into account breaks, unpack gear pack gear up etc, interruptions to work as I am a leading hand, give me 10 hour days anytime

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    Ok I take the roster thing back, I thought longer shifts contributed to fatigue and upset the social fabric. When they came in for me (90's) I didn't have a family, but remember others that did saying it was bad and meant they had to move cos the wife wasn't happy.

    Perhaps most have come to like them, but there was resistance in the early days...

    8&6 has been my favourite, but time away from kids (FIFO) was not.
    Last edited by Greatsouthernland; 8th May 2014 at 10:07 PM. Reason: 8&6 qualifier

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    All this H&S & we are still allowed to drive cars during work?? A bit inconsistent don't you think?
    + 2016 D4 TDV6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milton477 View Post
    All this H&S & we are still allowed to drive cars during work?? A bit inconsistent don't you think?


    Not sure what you mean

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    OHS only works at slow speeds?

    Roofing plumbers spend their day on steep roofs surrounded by by scaffolding then drive home in the van at a speed approaching 100KPH thinly protected by a 1.5mm sheet of steel between themselves and cars coming just as fast the other way towards them, a closing speed of 200KPH.
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    I had a good one today. I was sent an email from a school going crook that we had not responded to a request to register for SAMS4Schools Compliance Management System and failure to do so would have our company removed from the supplier list.
    It went on to say that all schools have a legal responsibility to ensure that they only engage Providers of Onsite Goods or Services ( POGS) that have provided evidence of required checks, licences, permits and registrations prior to commencing work at a school.
    This also meant a $10 Million public liability & a working with children check ( these cost $70.00 for a business for each employee)


    This is where it gets silly
    So I rang the school & said we only call once a year and that is out of hours, don't do any "work" as such lets say similar to a rubbish truck collecting a bin. Added to that we use a subcontractor who may have any one of 10 employee's. I was told we have "a presence" and therefore have to register.
    So now our contractor has to have his drivers all have a working with children check as I can see this rolling out to all schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJay View Post
    I had a good one today. I was sent an email from a school going crook that we had not responded to a request to register for SAMS4Schools Compliance Management System and failure to do so would have our company removed from the supplier list.
    It went on to say that all schools have a legal responsibility to ensure that they only engage Providers of Onsite Goods or Services ( POGS) that have provided evidence of required checks, licences, permits and registrations prior to commencing work at a school.
    This also meant a $10 Million public liability & a working with children check ( these cost $70.00 for a business for each employee)


    This is where it gets silly
    So I rang the school & said we only call once a year and that is out of hours, don't do any "work" as such lets say similar to a rubbish truck collecting a bin. Added to that we use a subcontractor who may have any one of 10 employee's. I was told we have "a presence" and therefore have to register.
    So now our contractor has to have his drivers all have a working with children check as I can see this rolling out to all schools.

    Or he withdraws his services.
    Probably loses money calling once a year and having to comply with all the BS.

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    a few years ago, I worked in one of the major theme parks, which requires considerable rostering.

    the roster we worked was ****house and everyone in maintenance hated it.

    at toolbox talks it was suggested that if we can come up with a roster that everyone agreed to it could be adopted.

    I volunteered to do this on behalf of the maintenance team and talked to everyone about what they wanted or would accept.

    management demanded that there must be a certain amount of park coverage, early set up time and enough time for regular maintenance.

    I tried a number of options which were rejected by either side and finally came up with a beauty , which everyone in our crew and our maintenance foreman agreed was very workable.

    Simply imagine a staircase , arranged with a name on each step and hours worked for particular tasks.

    you did 4 ten hour shifts and took one step down the staircase onto another job/time slot.

    at the end of your 4 day stint you had 4 days break.

    each person continued this cycle down the staircase over a ten week roster period.

    when you finished the last stint , you had a 7 day break , then started at the top again.

    it was win-win for everybody , the blokes were happy , maintenance management agreed it would work and solve their rostering problems , so it was finally presented to OH&S for their perusal and acceptance.

    OH&S refused to ok it ....because the guys got an extra 35 days off(thats not counting the 4/4 , which was effectively the weekend) during the cycle , as well as their annual leave.

    this was simply a bitch...."why should they get so much time off"....if they sacrificed their annual leave it would be ok , "if the rest of the park employees can't get that sort of time off , then maintenance aren't going to"

    and so , a perfect roster which would have solved everyones rostering problems at all levels , was rejected by OH&S

    the company still has major rostering problems

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