Thread: Iraq.

Originally Posted by manic

Keep out of it... constant meddling, killing, arming, puppeteering. Who cares if there are Islamic countries in the middle east? Is it fear of Islam or fear of a governing body that might choose to nationalise its assets? Petroleum wars.

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Ask the same question 6 months after the mid east oil stops flowing and you can no longer drive private vehicles do you remember the oil embargo during the 70,s people fighting in servo drive ways in other countries there were shootings over fuel The reality is oil wars may not be the realm of Mad Max

OPEC Oil Embargo, 40 Years Later: Has Anything Changed?

As the article says we stopped looking seriously at energy independence after it was over so are we better off now would our society and economy survive 6 to 12 months with no mid east oil?



If we do nothing during the crisis oil prices tripled in the first month what if they did that again factories will shut, you think its bad holden closing if you cant drive a car why buy any new ones at all. Everybody w9ill be saying the govt should have done "some thing"

So do we try and do" some thing '' now or wait 12 months or so

Edit I don't think it has any thing to do with Islam but the type of people who are taking over they want the world to regress 6 or 7 hundred years

Reminds me what Colin Powell said when he took a stance against the second Iraq war. "Remember if you break it you own it". Am I the only one who thinks everyone would have been better off if Saddam was still there?

Unfortunately, this is a very complex situation. It can't be easily explained with a few lines in a forum.
It looks like the Iranians, who are hard line islamists are now backing the American installed Iraq government and are sending in troops to Iraq. Who knows what their motives are.
The world would appear to need the oil coming out of the middle east so the west can't allow the hardliners to take over and dictate how much oil will be supplied and at what cost.

Personally, I dont trust any Muslim. I know there are many normal ones out there who just want to live their lives as normally as possible but how do weed out the normal ones from the ones who can be radicalised. Having said that I don't trust any other highly religious person either.

http://www.examiner.com/article/iran...amic-civil-war

I found this interesting : Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate - MUSLIM IMMIGRATION - YouTube
Please note, I am not anti ANY religion. Just found it quite amazing.

People used to worry about the "threat" of communism. We were made to believe it was an evil cancer spreading around the world. The US were intent on stopping it in Vietnam....many people died. Vietnam is communist now and we go there on holidays. China is communist and we can't buy enough of whatever they make. The Saudis are pretty hard line Islamic...business is business. If countries have something to sell, they'll sell it because they have to buy what they don't have. Surely we have learned that you cannot dictate to other groups of people, how they have to run their own countries? If all the poor, uneducated people in the world want to be Islamic hard liners, then that's what they will be, with or without the body bags.

Originally Posted by 2stroke

Reminds me what Colin Powell said when he took a stance against the second Iraq war. "Remember if you break it you own it". Am I the only one who thinks everyone would have been better off if Saddam was still there?

Yep, he was a tyrant, but he kept all sides in line in Iraq.

god????

do you mean dog?

lets keep it non religious too.please.

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

Ask the same question 6 months after the mid east oil stops flowing and you can no longer drive private vehicles do you remember the oil embargo during the 70,s people fighting in servo drive ways in other countries there were shootings over fuel The reality is oil wars may not be the realm of Mad Max

OPEC Oil Embargo, 40 Years Later: Has Anything Changed?

As the article says we stopped looking seriously at energy independence after it was over so are we better off now would our society and economy survive 6 to 12 months with no mid east oil?



If we do nothing during the crisis oil prices tripled in the first month what if they did that again factories will shut, you think its bad holden closing if you cant drive a car why buy any new ones at all. Everybody w9ill be saying the govt should have done "some thing"

So do we try and do" some thing '' now or wait 12 months or so

Edit I don't think it has any thing to do with Islam but the type of people who are taking over they want the world to regress 6 or 7 hundred years

Suppose its a tough one ey. Suffer economic hardship or allow our governments to send in the war machine to ruin other countries for the sake of 'our economy'.

Morally shouldn't we be prepared to suffer a recession rather than finance wars that ruin millions of lives in the middle east?

High fuel prices would be tough but look at the positives: more electric cars on the road, bicycles, walks to the local grocers, less demand for fuel at the pumps, a surge in biofuel research and production for planes, trucks and other important long range vehicles like.. landrovers !

And then you have to ask yourself, if middle eastern countries did gain control of their oil, would they not want to export it to the world? What if they brought prices down? What are sanctions good for? Without our use of military for suppression and control of their resources would these countries be so militant and extreme?