Kevin Donnelly has no clue

**Ranga** · 16th July 2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by bacicat

Nothing schools are currently doing seems to work or get the kids to respect one another.

Is that the school's fault or the parents/guardians?

It reminds me of this quote regarding the USA a bit, "This country has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem and a tyranny problem disguised as a security problem."

**Greatsouthernland** · 16th July 2014, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by bacicat

There's no restrictions or laws preventing parents smacking their children. There are however laws against physically abusing them - 2 very different things, and a concept that a lot of teachers can't get their heads around either.

No issues with corporal punishment. Nothing schools are currently doing seems to work or get the kids to respect one another.

My apologies there bacicat, I understand it's not forbidden, I meant the media circus calling for it to be banned, I've corrected my post. There is uncertainty on the subject and the media have done a good job creating such, my brother's ex tried to convince a family court judge that he smacked the kids so was an abusive father. The judge asked where he smacked them and it turned out his response was that a smack with the hand below the waist is acceptable in the courts mind.

You make a good point about teachers possibly not getting their heads around the difference, that is my concern entirely. One teacher in particular has already been disciplined for pushing over year 1 students and dragging them along forcibly by their arms, she's a bit short tempered this lady...I'd hate to see what would happen if she had a stick to use

**bob10** · 16th July 2014, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by bacicat

Nothing schools are currently doing seems to work or get the kids to respect one another.

Such a sweeping statement. And so wrong. I don't know what schools you are referring to. Could you name them? Bob

**LRO** · 16th July 2014, 08:41 PM

The cane should be part of the disciplinary system, if only for its deterrent value. Any one who disputes that, is part of the problem, IMO. Bob

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What problem would that be Bob.

**Chucaro** · 16th July 2014, 08:43 PM

I am against the cane and it is very little what the teachers can do if the parents do not do their job.
If the teacher use the cane and she/he done it without be 100% sure that the kid was doing something wrong, that kid will never forget it for the rest of his life.
It will be better that no one teacher put his hand on my grandchildren, he will cope twice hard from me regardless of the consequences

**LRO** · 16th July 2014, 08:50 PM

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**Homestar** · 16th July 2014, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

Such a sweeping statement. And so wrong. I don't know what schools you are referring to. Could you name them? Bob

Not wrong from where I stand. I don't need to name any schools now - thankfully my last child has just left the system, but there are plenty I know that are out of control, or pretend to and really don't.

I don't expect everyone's experiences or opinions to be the same as mine, but my statement is correct from where I stand. I'm glad yours is different.

**Greatsouthernland** · 16th July 2014, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

The cane should be part of the disciplinary system, if only for its deterrent value. Any one who disputes that, is part of the problem, IMO. Bob

Disagree. Now I'm part of the problem. So what do you do? Cane me? May work in some societies, but I don't think I or many other parents/grand parents will stand for that.

Obviously you have your view Bob, doesn't make those that oppose it a problem (outside of your mind).

I'm not gonna write you off as a narcissist just yet

**isuzurover** · 16th July 2014, 11:07 PM

Someone needs to alert the young earth creationists. The dinosaurs are certainly alive and mixing with the humans in this thread...

**clubagreenie** · 16th July 2014, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Chucaro

I am against the cane and it is very little what the teachers can do if the parents do not do their job.
If the teacher use the cane and she/he done it without be 100% sure that the kid was doing something wrong, that kid will never forget it for the rest of his life.
It will be better that no one teacher put his hand on my grandchildren, he will cope twice hard from me regardless of the consequences

What a load of horse ****.

Parents back when the cane was in knew what the discipline was and it backed them up and they backed it up. We knew what was in store for us if we pushed the line.

The "behaviour issues" started once it was stopped and then there was no consequence for actions. This took a while to come full circle where those kids who flaunted the no cane rule became parents and so they had no discipline themselves and so had nothing to pass on and no interest (in fact argue against it) in backing up school discipline.

It's all part of the downfall of installing a work ethic in kids where the 3rd gen of immigrants is the 1st gen that didn't have to work before/after school in the family store etc and were the pampered generation and the first to expect everything to be handed to them.

And before anyone asks I'm well versed at defining between discipline and cruelty.

Example: As a 10yo. I was kicked across the concrete yard for being late home one afternoon. And when I didn't have my bike with me because I was told to get inside and leave it I was kicked back across the yard and road to get it. Bring it home and then it was cut up with the grinder. Then I was taken to with the buckle end of the belt. All while mother looked on.

And years later they can't work out why I don't want anything to do with them or have them involved with my kids.

As for grandkids, you should have a little respect for the parents decisions in this. My inlaws tried to interfere in how they should be disciplined. There's lines that exist between parenting and grandparenting. Not saying you do the wrong thing but They aren't involved in my kids everyday and only see what they want to see, I regularly get **** from them over the way I deal with them. My wife put them in their place over that and I don't deal with them any longer either due to that and I was told that because I was the man I should be working and she should give up her 22 year career to stay home looking after them.

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