Thread: Kevin Donnelly has no clue

Caning is unnecessary as there are plenty of other ways to discipline kids, including a whole range of consequences for bad behaviour, I reckon. Actions such as climbing in a wndow, mentioned above, don't deserve caning.
The most extreme consequence is to be kicked out of school. Why should other kids suffer because some brat won't behave sensibly? Attending school is a privilege, not a right. One of the reasons so many parents are choosing to send their kids to non-government schools is that those schools are not afraid to expel problem students, which means other students are safer at school.
Caning can also lead to child abuse and there are inquries right now about that, as we know.
Our kids were not caned and they have turned out just fine.

I seriously doubt it will ever be re-introduced.....nope I will put my left one one it

Yeah I received the cane twice....I just out it down to the good old days

Originally Posted by Chucaro

I am against the cane and it is very little what the teachers can do if the parents do not do their job.
If the teacher use the cane and she/he done it without be 100% sure that the kid was doing something wrong, that kid will never forget it for the rest of his life.
It will be better that no one teacher put his hand on my grandchildren, he will cope twice hard from me regardless of the consequences

I was fortunate enough to attend a college tended by De La Salle Brothers & the use of a leather strap across the palms was the normal unit of discipline. I definitely copped it once or twice in error but, by crikey, I got away with a **** load gf stuff I should have got it for. I wouldn't say that I've been "Scarred" from a bit of physical discipline. I remember that one of the senior students had a stand up slanging match with one of the Brothers which ended with the student & teacher in the school boxing ring. Said student learnt that he wasn't as good as he thought with the gloves.
Steve

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

What a load of horse ****.

Parents back when the cane was in knew what the discipline was and it backed them up and they backed it up. We knew what was in store for us if we pushed the line.

The "behaviour issues" started once it was stopped and then there was no consequence for actions. This took a while to come full circle where those kids who flaunted the no cane rule became parents and so they had no discipline themselves and so had nothing to pass on and no interest (in fact argue against it) in backing up school discipline.

It's all part of the downfall of installing a work ethic in kids where the 3rd gen of immigrants is the 1st gen that didn't have to work before/after school in the family store etc and were the pampered generation and the first to expect everything to be handed to them.

And before anyone asks I'm well versed at defining between discipline and cruelty.

Example: As a 10yo. I was kicked across the concrete yard for being late home one afternoon. And when I didn't have my bike with me because I was told to get inside and leave it I was kicked back across the yard and road to get it. Bring it home and then it was cut up with the grinder. Then I was taken to with the buckle end of the belt. All while mother looked on.

And years later they can't work out why I don't want anything to do with them or have them involved with my kids.

As for grandkids, you should have a little respect for the parents decisions in this. My inlaws tried to interfere in how they should be disciplined. There's lines that exist between parenting and grandparenting. Not saying you do the wrong thing but They aren't involved in my kids everyday and only see what they want to see, I regularly get **** from them over the way I deal with them. My wife put them in their place over that and I don't deal with them any longer either due to that and I was told that because I was the man I should be working and she should give up her 22 year career to stay home looking after them.

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Heaps of craps, I have a lot of respect for the parents and they will approve my actions and if there will be a complain will be because I did not invited them to join me.
For your information we do not use a cane with our dogs and we never will allow to use a cane with any member of the family.
If you are proud of the way that your famyly have raise you by being, Quote: kicked across the concrete yard for being late home one afternoon. that is your business.
I, if a see a parent treating his child in that manner I will report it to the authorities and hope that if he/she finish in detention for a day or more, the inmates will give a demo of what is punishment and pain.

Clearly you failed to read or at least absorb everything I wrote.

The part where I define between punishment and cruelty.
The part where I outlined that I no longer have association with them because of one's action and another's inactions.

As for dogs, where was that bought up?

If only someone like you was around that recognised the difference instead of basically all and sundry of the family I was part of being part of the same system of belief when it came to such things. Because as a kid you should be able to trust someone in your family, instead they drag you back to the scene of the crime where its repeated for raising it.

Originally Posted by Saitch

I was fortunate enough to attend a college tended by De La Salle Brothers & the use of a leather strap across the palms was the normal unit of discipline. I definitely copped it once or twice in error but, by crikey, I got away with a **** load gf stuff I should have got it for. I wouldn't say that I've been "Scarred" from a bit of physical discipline. I remember that one of the senior students had a stand up slanging match with one of the Brothers which ended with the student & teacher in the school boxing ring. Said student learnt that he wasn't as good as he thought with the gloves.
Steve

And these colleges are institutions of the church, that want us to believe in compassion and fairness violence is not the answer etc. that's not all of the damage they did to young boys either - see George Pell.

What a mismatch anyway, he should ask for a rematch now, drag the old fella from the retirement home, that's how stupid the original match was.

Likening fighting to war (yes a long bow to draw), "war doesn't decide who is right or wrong, only who is left". Ancient Chinese proverb I am told

I think the cane (or other corporal punishment) is pointless. I copped it a few times in primary school in the 60's in NSW - once I was guilty and once I was an innocent bystander. Both times I felt a lessening of respect for the teacher.
Teachers who are able to gain the respect of students through their mental capacity not their muscle capacity, are the ones I learnt from best.

When I was taking my kids to kindy years ago, I remember the teacher (only two years from retirement) telling me that she can only build on the foundation the kids get from home. Some kids get a pretty raw deal on the home front before they even get started at school, and a lot of that is down to us men not manning up and setting a good example for them.i.e. getting involved with the kids at school, at sport etc.

And then there's the media.....hardly an impartial viewer....only the exceptional incidents are reported and no doubt presented as the norm not the exception. Now there's a good use for the cane.....when reporters are shown to be guilty of promoting sensationalist rubbish....give 'em six of the best! Might sharpen their sense of responsibility somewhat.

Anyway, my two cents worth. I think this Donnelly character is a dinosaur.
Cheers

Originally Posted by LRO

The cane should be part of the disciplinary system, if only for its deterrent value. Any one who disputes that, is part of the problem, IMO. Bob


Hi
What problem would that be Bob.

Now your making it difficult. The children who fall thru the gaps in our education system, are , from my experience, those from the poor end of town, with one parent, who may or may not, be a drug addict, or alcoholic. If not both parents. Those who can not see this problem, have no contact with these children, or live on the yellow brick road. I have seen a generation of these children, thru my association with junior football .Only a few of the group fit this description. Most of these children have no discipline, or guidance at home, and indeed, are bought up rough. What makes it difficult, is that these rough few are looked up to by the weaker members of the group, and "peer pressure " [ great cop out words] " forces" the weak to follow the strong. If your peers are A grade students, you are lucky. If they are thugs, dealing drugs, breaking into houses, with always a pocket full of money, well, bad luck.


Get these thugs early enough, show them at a young enough age, that there are repercussions for their actions, show the weaker boys [ and that is just about 100% of the gender ] that their heroes have feet of clay, is a start. How do you do that? by " counselling" ? They will laugh in your face. Tough kids need tough love. And then they need to be shown they are loved. And that is the key. Discipline [ the cane, for example] gets their attention. Good old fashioned love, which is what these few, do not get at home, helps break the cycle. I don't mind being called a dinosaur , better than being a new age **** wit, Bob